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Old 05-12-2015, 09:01 AM
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I am working on a chinese 110 ATV for a customer. I am a certified motorcycle technician with a small repair shop. I haven't worked on these chinese ATVs before. I just installed a new starter and solonoid. The customer had an issue where the bike would not start and he bought a new battery. When I got the ATV the relay was clicking when I would hit the start button. The taillight would turn on with the key. I pulled the starter off and there were some broken pieces inside. I ordered a new starter and a new solonoid.

I installed the new starter and solonoid and began to connect the battery. As soon as the battery is connected the bike starts turning over. I checked over all of the basics but kinda stumped now. It's getting a constant flow of voltage to the starter like the solonoid isn't even there.. And it's brand new. Before i installed the solonoid and starter the bike when I would press the starter button the solonoid would at least just click as though the circuit was working correctly..

I regrounded the negative cable to one of the 3 starter mount bolts.. Hmmm could it be the new starter itself? Or could the safety remote starting system have an issue? I disconnected and nothing also.. Cheap ATVs I tell ya
 
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Precisionwatercraftmotorcycle
I am working on a chinese 110 ATV for a customer. I am a certified motorcycle technician with a small repair shop. I haven't worked on these chinese ATVs before. I just installed a new starter and solonoid. The customer had an issue where the bike would not start and he bought a new battery. When I got the ATV the relay was clicking when I would hit the start button. The taillight would turn on with the key. I pulled the starter off and there were some broken pieces inside. I ordered a new starter and a new solonoid.

I installed the new starter and solonoid and began to connect the battery. As soon as the battery is connected the bike starts turning over. I checked over all of the basics but kinda stumped now. It's getting a constant flow of voltage to the starter like the solonoid isn't even there.. And it's brand new. Before i installed the solonoid and starter the bike when I would press the starter button the solonoid would at least just click as though the circuit was working correctly..

I regrounded the negative cable to one of the 3 starter mount bolts.. Hmmm could it be the new starter itself? Or could the safety remote starting system have an issue? I disconnected and nothing also.. Cheap ATVs I tell ya
Not sure why a certified motorcycle mechanic would blame it on a starter. Not trying to push any buttons, but a starter only turns with power to it.

Is this solenoid mounted on the starter? Can you post pics of the quad and/or post the make/model? Maybe post the part number of the starter and solenoid you purchased? There are too many variations of 110cc Quads out there. More info and we will try and help.
 
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Old 05-13-2015, 05:32 AM
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MPDano I am not blaming it on the starter. I was just throwing this out there to get some feedback and see of anyone else had the same issue.. Il figure it out.. Have been a certified motorcycle and pwc technician since 97.. Take care
 
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Sounds like a faulty solenoid, disconnect the thin wires to it, re-connect the battery, if the starter begins to turn it is a faulty solenoid. If it only starts to turn when you re-connect the thin wires, there is a wiring fault, most likely a stuck starter button.
 
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Old 05-22-2015, 08:49 AM
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Most Chinese atv's have the solinoid mounted in a rubber insulator to prevent it from grounding to the frame or engine. They don't send 12 v positive from the start switch to the solinoid like others. This gets a lot of people who have never worked on them. If the solinoid is making a ground from it's metal housing to the frame or engine it will start turning over like you are experiencing. I had to actually show someone this a couple of months ago, he would not either believe me or he couldn't get his head around what I was saying. Also, I have replaced many start switches as most of them are not made very well to last very long. I have even just installed a separate switch using a quality water proof unit when I either couldn't get the original handle bar assembly or the customer didn't want to wait for me to get one sent In. We have also replaced the stock solinoid with a general automotive part that was isolated from internally and put a jumper wire with a fuse from the positive coil to the post main battery was on and then supply the ground for the solinoid coil from the factory wire. You have to take 1 of the 2 wires from the connector and connect it to a constant ground source. I have never replaced another starter solinoid after doing this. That also removes any chance of problems with the rubber insulator rotting and allowing the solinoid to fall out and shorting. I have also had new solinoids to be bad right out of the box more than once.
 
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