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Old 12-13-2014, 06:37 PM
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The cool thing about torque is that you can multiply it, horsepower not so much. There's no getting around the fact that it will have to spin faster to make the same amount of power as a larger engine. If it's clutched and geared right that shouldn't be a problem.

My old Sportsman 450 is rated for something like 29 HP. A flick of the thumb and she screams to 6,000 RPM in short order providing its rated power. A 325 may have to go to 8,000 or more to make the same power, but I don't think the rider will notice the difference as long as it's geared right.
So true...
As a Pioneer owner, i know all about gear reduction...or in my case, a lack of gear reduction.
 
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Old 12-13-2014, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TomB985
The cool thing about torque is that you can multiply it, horsepower not so much. There's no getting around the fact that it will have to spin faster to make the same amount of power as a larger engine. If it's clutched and geared right that shouldn't be a problem.

My old Sportsman 450 is rated for something like 29 HP. A flick of the thumb and she screams to 6,000 RPM in short order providing its rated power. A 325 may have to go to 8,000 or more to make the same power, but I don't think the rider will notice the difference as long as it's geared right.


Yupp, my 400HO (455cc) is an amazing little rcket. WOnt do wheelies, but I did not buy it for that. I really question why Polairs lowered the CC that much.
 
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Old 12-13-2014, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DGNAZ
So true...
As a Pioneer owner, i know all about gear reduction...or in my case, a lack of gear reduction.
You must have the 700cc variant. My parents just bought a 500 which has a paddle-shift 5-speed transmission. They geared it like a tractor in low gear, I think it's only good for 2 or 3 MPH unless you upshift.

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I really question why Polairs lowered the CC that much.
If I had to take a guess, the entire engine lineup was moving towards their "Pro Star" engines which have a LOT more technology than the relatively dinosaur-age Fuji mills. I bet the new 325 shares some parts with its larger siblings, and you just don't need that much displacement to make as much power as the outgoing 455 did.

 
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Old 12-13-2014, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TomB985
You must have the 700cc variant. My parents just bought a 500 which has a paddle-shift 5-speed transmission. They geared it like a tractor in low gear, I think it's only good for 2 or 3 MPH unless you upshift.

Yep. How ironic that the 500 will do things at high altitude that the 700 struggles to do.
 
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Old 12-14-2014, 12:35 AM
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DGNAZ, are there any aftermarket programmers out for the pioneer yet? I know with all the CARB regulations today, all of these machines, especially the ones over 500cc tend to come stuffed up and running lean from the factory. Maybe that along with a pipe and Uni filter will waken it up a little bit.
 
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:39 AM
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The Pioneer is a slick unit. I love how the rear seats fold down into the bed.

Air filters, exhausts and programmers are a huge investment for minimal return.
 
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by WilliamBos
I would too. Torque is what I am after.
So true.
The Forman and Rincon have low HP numbers but they are ft/lb torgues monsters.
 
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Originally Posted by HondaR24
DGNAZ, are there any aftermarket programmers out for the pioneer yet? I know with all the CARB regulations today, all of these machines, especially the ones over 500cc tend to come stuffed up and running lean from the factory. Maybe that along with a pipe and Uni filter will waken it up a little bit.
I have it on good authority ( Dynojet ) that the stock map is very good. I have a UNI in it now and it seems to help a tiny bit but its tough to say.
A pipe might give it "enough", but i hate loud exhausts, and i think Big Gun is going to have issues with cracking the header since they do away with the support in the middle. And should i have to do these things? Most machines are limited by traction. This one is not.
 
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