I picked up my new 450 Saturday. This machine is awesome. I putted around on it Sat. and took it on a real ride on Sunday. We went on some TVA land around Lake Guntersville, trails, mud, rocky areas. Thanks to everyone for their help in making the decision. Like they say it can't be new forever.....already rolled it. Sidehill on about a 70 degree slope probably not a good idea. Luckily no one was hurt and I was the only thing that completely went in the lake. BTW I know I'm spoiled in Alabama but 60 degrees in May is cold especially when you are wet. Pic's are soon to come. Again thanks for the help.