i have the Razr rears on my 450r, and they seem to spin really easy. when turning and sliding the back, it's not uncommon for the rear end to swing around too far. what tire pressure do you run your tires at? this is medium-hard terrain that i'm running on, mostly trails. thanx.

 

I run my razor2's at about 3.5 or so. One problem may be your rear preload may be too high and the front too low. Try to use the preload to raise the front and drop in the rear, that will give you more bite on the rear traction. I have no idea how people say the razor2's have too much traction, seems to be a perfect balance to me. If your at about that pressure it's probably the preload though.

 

You picked the wrong tire! I had EXACTLY the same experience with Holeshot H-D's. It happens, no matter what bike I put them on, so it isn't "swapping" from an improperly adjusted suspension, which is what I think Boxhead is suggesting. Both H-D's and the Razr's are a rather poor choice for So. Calif. conditions, especially hardpack (like at Hungry Valley!). Leave them for the eastern trail riders, and softer moister trail conditions. Maybe give the Razr's to your lil bro. The effect won't be quite as bad on the 250 which isn't as torquey.

Sometimes choosing tires can be an expensive experiment! After years of trying different tires, my choice for So. Calif. is still the ITP Holeshot XC's (or XCT's if you need maximum ground clearance like for desert racing, can widen your machine, and make gearing changes).

 

it's nice to hear that somebody else knows what i'm talking about. all i've ever heard is that they are such an awesome tire for xc racing, but i spin them constantly. when i'm rippin through a trail, they work great, but if i need to make a sharp turn, or gas it hard, they spin like mad. usually when i'm at hungry valley (gorman) it's not real hard pack. it has like an inch or 2 of dust on top, which is why i think i'm losing traction so much. i'm kinda upset cuz i def. feel like i wasted my money. i tried running the stock tires in the sand, and then ran the razr, and the stock ones worked sooooo much better. but then again, i got the tires more out of necessity than anything. i ordered the tires, and then broke my 400ex a few days later, and decided to fix it, and sell it on consignment thru my local shop. i never had knobbies for it, only paddles (bought it used) so i put our 250's tires on the 400 to sell it, and bought a 450r. i kept the razr, put those on the 450, put the 450's tires on the 300, and the 300's tires on the 250. so now i had paddles and knobbies for all the bikes. do u have ne idea how much the razr would sell for on ebay, jus the tire with a very lil bit of wear? if i could sell them for like half what i payed, imma buy some new tires.

 

Yeah, they have spun a little for me in those two inch layer of dust situations. Even then for me they never slide out on me too far. I have the razor2's if it matters, or it could be the different types of dirt like the other guy mentioned. It is really dry and dusty here though, and the only time it's been an issue is in deep loose sand. I wonder if something like the bandit tires or something like the cheng shin v treads would be better for you in the dry conditions. My friend uses those, and they work pretty well in those dry thin loose layers. Your probably right about the east and west situation, most people in the east say the razor2s have too much hook up and have trouble getting them to spin at all. For michigan's trails they seem perfectly balanced and perform great for me. No matter how hard I hit the turns and gun it they never have spun like that. You should consider taking a trip out here and visit the east while you still have 'em, they'll rip out here! lol

 

lol, a trip to the east coat to justify buying a set of tires...nice. ne ways, the razr 2 have deeper tread, so they can bite through that soft top layer easier. when i was using my razr i had them at about 3lbs, and then drove down to pismo beach this weekend and didn't have time to change back to my stock tires for the dunes. accordin to my pressure gauge, there is no psi in my tires, and they worked awesome. lol, i guess with the six ply rating, and the sand, the bead doesn't want to come off easily. i was roostin, and doing everything i could to see if the bead would come off, never did.

 

I'm sure theirs some good wooded trails in oregon to try... Can't believe they didn't come off, must be the hard rubber...lol

 

ya, seriously. i tried checkin them with 2 different gauges too. i was in third gear, whippin the back end around as fast and as hard as i could, and the tires never even looked like they were about to come off. it made for some pretty awesome roost shots.

 

Sorry they didn't work out for you otherwise, but they really handle awesome for me here. I wonder if the somewhat new holeshot deep treaded tires work better in the loose. I checked them out in person and they were really soft rubber. It would suck to buy tires more frequently due to the quicker wearing soft material though. Best bet would probably be a v tread design... I would keep the razors on the side if I traveled rather than get rid of 'em. Have you tried them on the trails after some rain? On wet sand (like a beach or such), or rooted surfaces they really can rip it up. Leave it to michigan to have plenty of rain and roots lol. I went up in the u.p. for the 4th of july and had some 40 to 50 temps at 3p.m. one day, 85 the next, 4 or 5 days of rain out of a week, and plenty of rocks/roots. Probably why they perform well here, lol. I went through some flooded spots up to my airbox rim that were about 50ft or so without getting stuck. At one point the water actually came up to my a$$ level, which really scared me without a airbox lid on. It was only a quick dip though fortunately.

 

i rode with them on the wet sand at pismo, and they worked great, they still didn't show ne signs of comin off the bead. i would be hesitant to use them on a trail with such low tire pressure tho, unless i had beadlocks.