How many people out there agree with me that their children are too large size wise for the current crop of mini's and would like to see the manufacturers come out with a gap machine somewhere in between the full size and the current mini's? I am not talking increasing the size of the motors... you can keep them where they are within teh CPSC guidelines, but the frames need to be larger to accomodate the larger children sizes we see these days.

Parents are wanting to do the right thing here, but are forced to lie, cheat and do something they are not comfortable doing because the industry is turning a deaf ear to the needs of their customers.

Any thoughts?

 

hey dragging butt I agree ,my oldest son was 5' 11" at 14 years old ,and looked really silly on a 90cc, he would have had to put his legs over the handle bars to fit .

 

http://www.scootersfactory.com...ranger-125-p-668.html

Scootersfactory has one, the specs on this is larger than my mini but smaller than the full size. this is probably my next purchase for the kids..

 

Hmm.. they look good, however there is one small thing that is a major problem. If a child is under 16, in many states he or she cannot ride anything over a 90 cc machine. At least that is what it is here in Virginia. They follow the CPSC guidelines here. The seller makes recommendations, but they are not within those guidelines used for public riding areas. I am not going ot say that is misleading, but it is a worry to those of us trying to live within the local laws. Private property is different, and I admit he could easily use the extra power, size etc.

What I am looking for is someone to build that size frame with the smaller motors in them to keep things legal. I am not worried about the kid not haveing enough speed, power etc. At that age, I think it might be a good thing to slow them down a bit anyway. They are going to have fun on them regardless. Oh they will while like a dry bearing... but given the choice to ride or not ride, they will take it...

 

I agree as well. My 10 year old is currently riding a LTZ90 and it surely will not last him until he is 16!! I cant imagine at 15 him still riding one, he will have 10 years of riding under his belt and someone that is 16 can buy a 450r or 700 and just start off flying around. Some places that we ride will not allow him to ride his bike, he has to ride his brothers LTA50. That is a sight to see in itself. He is 4-10 and 90lbs. He doesnt complain to much because he will ride anything that has wheels on it, but he is so held back that it is hard for me to watch him push it up small hills.

It all comes down to company liability, as long as there are unresponsible adults buying their kids large bikes, we will have to deal with the regs. I just wish they could up the cc for kids alittle. A nice start would be to let 12-16 year olds to ride bikes up to 200cc. I will just keep dreaming until then, and keep buying experience approporite bikes for my kids.

It still amazes me to this day how I was able to ride my 200x then a 250r when I was 12-15 and no one was hurt and I learned to ride correctly. My dad paid alot of attention to make sure I was doing it right!!

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Dragginbutt

Hmm.. they look good, however there is one small thing that is a major problem. If a child is under 16, in many states he or she cannot ride anything over a 90 cc machine. At least that is what it is here in Virginia. They follow the CPSC guidelines here. The seller makes recommendations, but they are not within those guidelines used for public riding areas. I am not going ot say that is misleading, but it is a worry to those of us trying to live within the local laws. Private property is different, and I admit he could easily use the extra power, size etc.



What I am looking for is someone to build that size frame with the smaller motors in them to keep things legal. I am not worried about the kid not haveing enough speed, power etc. At that age, I think it might be a good thing to slow them down a bit anyway. They are going to have fun on them regardless. Oh they will while like a dry bearing... but given the choice to ride or not ride, they will take it...</end quote></div>


heart transplant....

 

The CPSC has just been changing the guidelines some haven't they? I also agree that we need larger framed quads but I wouldn't mind seeing them institute a rider safety course that could certify younger riders to ride a larger class of machine. I look at what youngsters can operate in the dirtbike/sled worlds and you almost have to laugh at the restrictions put on quad riders. Bottomline is that parents buying what fits the childs size and abilities are usually outside the CPSC guidelines and that doesn't make sense.

 

You won't get much argument there from anyone. Problem is getting the training in teh first place. Around my neck of the woods, you can wait up to 4 years to get a class date. I am still waiting to use a certificate that is 7 years old. I have not seen what the new guidelines will say. A bunch of us put in our 2 cents worth in the beginning, but they have not advertized anything new that I am aware of.

The real onus though I still put on teh factories to build a bigger and wider machine, and if we are changing the CPSC guidelines, lets get rid of the no headlights allowed on mini's footnote too. That is plain down right dumb. I ride in forest so think you need lights to see in the middle of the day...

 

PowersportsMax.com has quite a few 110's.
We bought the small one for our 4&6yr olds, and the "mid/large size for our 8yr old. It IS a little big for her, but my wife fits perfectly on it. It is a great little machine for 12-15yr olds.

 

Thanks for the update... what we are trying to change is two fold. One, we want teh CPSC guidelines to create a new class of machine for the 12 to 15 year olds. One that has a larger frame, and up to a 125 engine. Second, is to get teh manufacturers to build the larger framed machine. If you put a 125 engine on a blaster frame, and make it legal in line with the CPSC guielines that many states use as their guide, then we take the larger kids off the full size machines. Probably Dad's old cast off etc...