What they said was that the Raptor weighed 400 pounds. The Griz weighed 200 more than the Raptor, and the Renegade 200 more than the Griz.......

 

As for the ATV/ ORV weight requirements, thats a DRY weight. Polaris, Arctic Cat, and im sure Can-Am all push over the 800 mark when loaded down.

 

Any new hybrid 4x4 that hits the market is going to have to weigh 450 lbs. or less to be worthy of the name IMO. You can pump all the horsepower you want into a quad, but the handling will only come up to par when the weight comes down. My 2 cents...

 

Weighed my Renegade the other day 660lbs.......

 

I dunno....

Maybe it's my riding style, but I don't feel like I get beat up because of my straight axle......

Personally I don't like IRS machines, so far not one I've ridden feels right to me. I know they are better for ground clearance, and trust me I'd love more ground clearance at times, but I just don't like the feeling of the quad pivoting on all 4 axis. Perhaps if I were to ride one for a long time (weeks or months) I'd learn to deal with it.

But I always hear people say how the SRA beats them up. I don't really find it to be a problem for my riding style. I get beat up by riding bigger, heavier quads. Maybe it's from years of riding a BMX bike, I like to muscle the machine, I like it to be light and easy to flick around.....

Maybe a straight axle Ute beats you up more than an IRS Ute? That's probably true. But I get beat up no matter what kind of Ute I ride. I get more tired trying to muscle a big quad around the trails.

Now I guess the Outlaw is the new answer to that. A 400 pound machine with IRS seems like a good idea, but I rode the 500 Outlaw and still didn't like the IRS feeling. I guess maybe IRS takes a lot of time to get used to for some people. I'd like to get used to it, because the idea of IRS in theory seems like a great one. Maybe I'm just too, old school. Or maybe I'm just waiting for Honda or Suzuki to do it ....lol

 

Yea, but the DW biased has traveled around......

They seem to favor Yamaha now, but for years they seemed to favor Honda. I tend to think it is cyclical and the make their way around. It is tough to say they are biased to one brand, because they don't generally bash anyone. Suzuki's have beat Honda's, and Yamaha's have beaten Suzuki's, and over the years it has been spread out.....

Recently Yamaha seems to win a lot more than they lose. But in some ways I have to give Yamaha credit for stepping up their game and making some really nice ATVs to compete with the best in the world.

 

If someone was givin me a choice to pick between a renegade and a rap 700.. Id take a renegade. big woopty doda about the weight. It zips along plenty good and that weight is nice on rough trails. don't beat the chit outta ya. It could be smaller no doubt. but Recon is just a Can am Basher. Can-Ams are not ment for the 160 lb Panty waists out there. They are made for men with out small man syndrome. 200+ lb riders you lil chits can ride whatever you want. but big dudes get cramped on those lil toys. and its about enjoyin yer ride whatever you got. they are not ment for rookies and lil people. end of story.

 

Ye With the biggest pocket book always wins. besides Niche Market Machines will never get everyones wood to rise. Kinda like fat girls.

 

Well, I guess I'm just one of the lucky ones!

I'm fit, not a lard a$$, and I live in sport quad country! So, all I ever need a ute for is to go the few places (mostly at very high altitude) where my 2wd sport quads won't take me. That means the smaller lighter and more agile a 4wd machine is, the better it fits my needs.....God is good!

 

Hey im one of those 170lb "little " people. But at my last MMA sparring session, i choked out one of you 187lb "big" people. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]