HL's take on the new cdi
 

I called HL to find out if they thought their module would work with the new cdi and the Dan told me that the HL module on a stock cdi will make alot more power on the bottom end than the new cdi. He also said that the increase to 9200 RPM on the top end is not safe and may blow up the motor. He said the so called "experts" posting about the HL module and this new cdi don't know what they are talking about, and don't know the "secret" built into their module. He also said it may, or may not, work with the new cdi, and that the new cdi was only good if you are trying to go 80MPH and want to risk your motor flying apart. To hear it for yourself call their 800 number and ask for ext. 2010. He sounded a little distressed over the new cdi issue?

I would like to hear some comments on this topic from you "so called experts", because I do value your experience and opinions.

HL's take on the new cdi
 

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That's funny
the mod box will give a little less power then a new cdi unless a deg key is put in and less after 6500rpm
the stock cdi gives 28deg no more. The speed sensor takes away timing up to 3mph 12deg the slowly advances to 28deg as speed is increased
the mod box makes the cdi read one speed where the timing is not retarded
The 650-700 has a 3D map RPM/timing advance/speed The mod box takes away the speed input it's just for a governer so yo are left with rpm vs timing

The new cdi has only rpm vs timing {it's not retarded}

you will never hit 9200 with a stock 650 unless it's going down hill[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

HL's take on the new cdi
 

Sounds to me Dan doesn't know much here. I don't know a lot myself but with the miles I have and the experince I have on the bike is that the motor will not fly appart at 9200 expecially if your bike is highly modded. There is no way the low end frequency thing will give more power than a proper CDI because what HL module does is confusses the stock CDI on the bike and nothing else. The new CDI should do more than top end too and it's not only for people that want to go 80MPH. I feel the new CDI will not even do 80... there's other obsticals that one has to deal with too to make it to go 80.... now I'm sure someone will make it go 80. With mods the CDI will make up for losses in some areas by those added mods. IT sounds to me that this guy is worried that everyone is going to go with the CDI instead of the holeshot and that's probably true.

HL's take on the new cdi
 

the motor will NOT come apart at 9200 as per kawi engineers said it will do 10000 with no ill effects.

HL's take on the new cdi
 

The fact that this new cdi will make the engine run cooler will be a major bonus, that should mean less wear on the engine, longer life?

HL's take on the new cdi
 

If Dan with HL is trying to slam another product just to promote his, then that pushes me away from the HL product.

Dan must only be speculating about the CDI since he does not one to compare to the HL module. Until more testing and comparisons can be done, everything said must be only opinions and not facts.

Going 80mph and risking the motor flying apart????? Did he not say that Kilby's 700 hit 80 mph on the dyno with their module. Was there a concern then that Kilby's motor was going to fly apart? Before news of this new CDi, 80 mph was included in his advertising, but now he is saying 80 mph is not safe?

Dan, what is the real story. If HL had been able to design this new CDI first, would you be promoting it trying to sell them; or saying that one was designed but was unsafe for mechanical reasons?

Sounds like advertising to me.


GOOD NEW THOUGH,...............I just saved alot of money on my car insurance......[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

HL's take on the new cdi
 

A stock Prairie is not going to do 80 mph or will it come close to the 9200 rev limitor, unless it on a jack stand or in low gear, even then your valves would float after 8,000 rpm's.

By saying that the new CDI is only for those that want to hit 80, saying that is hurting his sales, who are those people, that's almost everyone.


If it did hit 9200, you would add heavier clutch weights and bring the rpm's back down, there, that's something HL can work on, heavier weights.

Dale at Dalton has heavier weights.

Born in the night, but not last night!!!!

HL's take on the new cdi
 

Also on there site, where it tells about team green visiting the dyno, They say the kirby's bike is moddified and is "with mechanically modified timing". it goes on the say they added the ICM unit and adjusted the carbs and went up to 80 mph.

My question is, and I don't know anything about their box. How could their box work if the bike has mechanical timing. it works with the CDI, unless the mechanically moddified timing is only an offset key?


I think HL is a class act, but somethings seems to be exaggerated.

High lifter on team green

HL's take on the new cdi
 

Did you hear this from AllToys, or did you speak with Kawi engineers?

HL's take on the new cdi
 

This is all a pretty interesting reaction by HL. I didn't see the CDI market and the Module market as incompatable. There are riders that will want a module and riders that will want a CDI.

I don't think HL handled the release of their module particularly well. In contrast, DG did a nice job of letting buyers know what the module did, how it did it, and what it didn't do. This was a great approach because you knew what you were getting for the money you spent. I also think that Don sold quite a few modules because people were comfortable that they knew what they were getting for the money they spent.

There is no doubt in my mind that HL benefitted from the post by the DG engineer on the HL board. Funny how that thread didn't get deleted. I'm sure that Don and the Engineer know they were going to help their competition, but they put the info out there to dispel rumors and myths. That is a class act.

HL is taking a 'black box' and hype approach to a technology that is pretty well understood by the rider community - which creates distrust. They should take a look at how Don handled it and look at the loyalty DG received as a result of being open about it.

Peace,
Sgt_Rock