650 Prairie Vs. Scrambler 4x4 (500 or 400)
#13
Which magazines? I read DW, ATV Action and ATV Magazine.Didn't notice any talk of the engine being detuned at all.Remember its not a true 650, only 633 cc's, and puts out very respectable power for that displacement.I just doubt that there's any big horsepower left in there to be had easily like trailhog thinks.
#15
O.K.,
I'll weigh in on this. The 650 Prairie is one heck of a machine. When a "ute" (and I mean that in a nice way) quad can beat a true sport quad (400 EX) in a drag race it's got to be one fine machine.
Now when it comes to horse power, I believe that the Prairie has the Scramblers beat. The stock 400's hp is 36, the stock 500 H.O."s hp is 38, the Prairie's is 43. Mind you these are crankshaft horsepower, as no one has a reliable way to measure rear wheel horsepower on CVT machines. This is why a heavier (but not by much) Prairie can out accellerate a stock Scrambler. The Scrambler has the advantage of lighter weight and a more efficient drive system (chain), but this still can't over come the horsepower advantage of the Prairie.
When you talk about modifications the 400 Scrambler has them beat hands down. With the two four strokes, there isn't much you can do shy of getting a big bore kit to make more horsepower. Many people will say a pipe will increase horsepower, but on these two machines (Prairie & Scrambler 500) you're just wasting your money. There are certain "corked up" machines (a Raptor comes to mind) that you can get more horsepower from just a pipe, but these two just aren't it. Add a pipe to a 400 two stroke and watch the sparks fly. You should be easily able to beat a stock Prairie with merely a change of pipe on the 400. You will be making at least 2 more crankshaft horsepower, be lighter, and have a more efficient drive system.
Just my two cents.....
I'll weigh in on this. The 650 Prairie is one heck of a machine. When a "ute" (and I mean that in a nice way) quad can beat a true sport quad (400 EX) in a drag race it's got to be one fine machine.
Now when it comes to horse power, I believe that the Prairie has the Scramblers beat. The stock 400's hp is 36, the stock 500 H.O."s hp is 38, the Prairie's is 43. Mind you these are crankshaft horsepower, as no one has a reliable way to measure rear wheel horsepower on CVT machines. This is why a heavier (but not by much) Prairie can out accellerate a stock Scrambler. The Scrambler has the advantage of lighter weight and a more efficient drive system (chain), but this still can't over come the horsepower advantage of the Prairie.
When you talk about modifications the 400 Scrambler has them beat hands down. With the two four strokes, there isn't much you can do shy of getting a big bore kit to make more horsepower. Many people will say a pipe will increase horsepower, but on these two machines (Prairie & Scrambler 500) you're just wasting your money. There are certain "corked up" machines (a Raptor comes to mind) that you can get more horsepower from just a pipe, but these two just aren't it. Add a pipe to a 400 two stroke and watch the sparks fly. You should be easily able to beat a stock Prairie with merely a change of pipe on the 400. You will be making at least 2 more crankshaft horsepower, be lighter, and have a more efficient drive system.
Just my two cents.....
#16
I agree that there are more ponies to be had on the Prairie. Do you really think that a 650 class twin cylinder with 4-valves per cylinder is nearly maxed at low 40 horses? No way. Hell, a 440EX can make nearly 50. Plus with a large bore and short stroke it revs fast to get it in the meat of the power quickly. Granted it will never respond to mods like a 2 stroke-but there's more power in there for sure.
#17
Mike Chero,
Thanks for the update on the 500 ho horsepower. 38 hp seems more like it based on the races I've had with my friend. Where did you get that information? The 28 hp I reported is obviously incorrect.
Thanks.
Thanks for the update on the 500 ho horsepower. 38 hp seems more like it based on the races I've had with my friend. Where did you get that information? The 28 hp I reported is obviously incorrect.
Thanks.
#19
I really can't remember which mag I read it in about the 650 being detuned , but I am good friends with me deal and told me before the mags ever mentioned it that Kawasaki had a 650 testing it and was having to detune it some before production , I get 3 mags ever month , I you have to read it for yourself I will try to let you know what magazine it was in , they could have easily taken some power away by just going to smaller valves and or carbs but they are still awesome ,reguardless !


