Interesting conversations: http://forums.atvconnection.com/mess...did/490560.cfm

At least the Wolverine is 100 pounds lighter. Still to heavy for my taste.

 

[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] you know ya'll wouldnt be happy if you had access to heff's enterage of ladies. what makes ya think your gonna be satisfied with a quad.. Can you not be happy thats its a step in the preffered direction for a particular part of the market?

 

its a fast, overpriced, overweight tank. sure it will built well, but for $10k, no thanks.
im happy anytime a new bike comes out; but i think the OEMS CAN do better (they are CAN-AM now, eh)
and release a lighter, HP 4x4 as we have already went in circles on in the other forums.
wouldnt that be a good bike and prob a better direction for the industry?

no body makes one, everybody has a heavy@ss 4x4 already. just what we need, another one.

yay.

 

Cowboy-Some concepts just don't make any sense no matter how you twist and turn them, and dangerous, heavy, clumsy quads is one of those. My personal goal is to SHAME THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY INTO DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT! If buyers don't buy them, manufacutrers won't produce them! But, if that's all the market has to offer, then what else does the 4X4 buyer have to choose from? It is a viscious circle: People have nothing else to choose from, so manufacturers think that's what people really want..........

I am trying to effect the market, by pointing out to prospective buyers here in the forum, just how ridiculous these machines are, for the average trail rider! (I'll give you that some folks actually need a big quad for work, hunting, etc., but they are a small minority of the true marketplace.)

Here in the southwest, the biggest buyers of utilities seem to be frail, fat, out of shape, senior citizens. They pick 4X4's, because they know if they get stuck on a 2wd, they are so weak that they could never get it unstuck without 4wd, and TWO winches. These and kids, are the groups most likely to get themselves killed or seriously injured in a rollover of one of these dangerous overweight machines.

And Cowboy, I'll refrain from any Broke Back Mountain jokes, ok!

 

I need a big quad.. Im a big boy and I don't feel comfortable on them little toy machines.. I had to raise my handlebars and lower the pegs on my raptor to make it comfortable. I want a bigger machine. and I like a lil more weight for some types of riding. Sure you dont want the weight if your gonna spend the day flyin over jumps but if you wanna keep the machine on the ground the weight helps. Its not that the machines are any more dangerous. Its people riding them lack the skills. Everyone should have to start on a small quad and work their way up to bigger more powerfull ones.

 

This is the funniest thing.. you know thw average trail rider should be on a 250ex class machine. YFZ, 450r, r450, raptors, are all ridiculous for the average trail rider.. They shouldn't ride them.. But some people actually need these quads for RACING so the manufacturer's make them.