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KQ2492 08-11-2017 01:57 PM

King quad compression/rattle
 
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/atvconn...6087a68c8e.jpg1st test
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/atvconn...39da630fe5.jpg2nd test with oil
hi all .. This is a king quad 300

1st off I did a compression test with throttle wide open I got a reading of 120 psi

Then I did a second test and this time put some oil in the cylinder and got a reading of just around 150 can anyone tell me if this is good or bad ? And if its bad what can I do to fix it I posted some pics also...

Second problem is I have a bad rattle or ticking if you wanna call it that in the top end it kinda gets better when I'm in like 4th gear I can still hear it but it kinds goes away I've adjusted valves and it didn't get better I posted a video link here

https://youtu.be/Qlneq5beW2w

Ercjr1101 08-12-2017 08:04 AM

Time for a rebuild.
 
Adding oil into the cylinders helps seal the rings to the cylinder which increases compression pressure. New rings are a minimum. Top side rattle after valve adjustment could be an oil pressure/flow problem.

KQ2492 08-12-2017 11:48 PM

Thanks the rattle is more of a loud ticking noise

merryman 08-13-2017 02:28 AM

120psi compression is fine, you don't need new rings, unless it is burning oil. A tap from the top end can be all sorts of things, piston slap, a worn cam, rocker loose on it's shaft, cam chain worn, valve seat loose, etc.

We took in a Bruin, part ex about 5 years ago, about 4 years ago some idiot we lent it to as a courtesy bike must have "lightly seized" it, as it has had loud piston slap ever since. It has been on "light duties" since then, but it is still going, still rattling.

Ercjr1101 08-13-2017 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by KQ2492 (Post 3370202)
Thanks the rattle is more of a loud ticking noise

​​​​​​Ticking/rattle/banging just symantics. Best of luck with the rebuild.

KQ2492 08-14-2017 09:08 AM

OK guys thanks I did post a video link not sure if you looked at it and yes its burning oil and there is blow by sometimes the plug has oil on it as far as a rebuild how far should I go ? New rings pistion and can chain just to be safe ? I'd hate to rebuild it and still have this annoyinng rattle

Ercjr1101 08-14-2017 09:57 AM

Me personally, if I am going to put forth the time and effort into doing the bottom, I would drop all new internals since they are exposed already. You will then be comfortable that all of the little things are good.
Keep valves and heads replacing all seals and gaskets. Keep cylinders unless they show signs of high heat. Keep cases replacing seals and gaskets. Drop a cam and associated parts also. Has ignition been upgraded? It is currently laying out.

merryman 08-15-2017 01:41 AM

Sounds a bit more like cam chain, I think it is too rapid for valves or piston slap.

You need to take the cylinder off before getting parts, as you don't know what you need until you measure everything. If the cylinder is badly worn it will need a re-bore, and may already have had one (or more) so you need to measure to find out what piston, if any, you need. If the bore is OK, measure the piston, if the skirt is under min size or scored, you need a new one, again, if it has had a re-bore, or needs one, the correct oversize. You may just need new rings, again the correct size for the bore. Before removing chain, check if there is adjustment left on the cam chain tensioner, if not, you need a new chain, check chain guides for wear and replace if needed. Check cam and followers for wear. All sizes will be in the workshop manual, as are torque settings, get one.

Ercjr1101 08-15-2017 05:59 AM

I agree Merryman
 
Get a shop manual, it will help with procedures and specs. Completely disassemble and check everything. Anything questionable replace it. Better to be conservative the first time than to be frustrated later.

KQ2492 08-17-2017 02:00 PM

Thanks for the help and directions its gunna be a rebuild in the winter is only 3 months from now so that's when I'll do it I appreciate the help in the mean time u mention to check the cam tensinor ? Can the chain be tight end ? If so how

Ercjr1101 08-17-2017 02:35 PM

The tensioner will take up some slack. In my opinion, if you are left with less then a third of the adjustment, go ahead and replace the chain. The chain itself doesn't have any way to shorten it.

merryman 08-18-2017 01:55 AM

It must be over ten years since I had one of those engines down, but I think the tensioner is automatic, in fact similar to the Eigers etc, which I often fix. If so, you take it out as a unit, and see if it will go back in without pushing too hard, you should have at least 1/4" gap between adjuster and cylinder casting. If it is OK you then remove the cap, rod and spring, release the ratchet so the plunger retracts back into the adjuster, and it should go back into the cylinder casting easily. Tighten the two mounting screws, re-fit spring, rod and cap to put tension on it.

KQ2492 08-19-2017 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by merryman (Post 3370647)
It must be over ten years since I had one of those engines down, but I think the tensioner is automatic, in fact similar to the Eigers etc, which I often fix. If so, you take it out as a unit, and see if it will go back in without pushing too hard, you should have at least 1/4" gap between adjuster and cylinder casting. If it is OK you then remove the cap, rod and spring, release the ratchet so the plunger retracts back into the adjuster, and it should go back into the cylinder casting easily. Tighten the two mounting screws, re-fit spring, rod and cap to put tension on it.

OK before I do this does anything else need to be done so I dont mess things up ?

And after this is done if its still is rattleing I guess the chain is stretched and I need a new one ? The sound gets worse in 1st 2nd 3rd and finaly fades in 4th n 5th kinda

merryman 08-19-2017 10:43 AM

"you should have at least 1/4" gap between adjuster and cylinder casting."

If you haven't 1/4" either chain or guides need replacement. The adjuster itself doesn't wear.

KQ2492 08-19-2017 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by merryman (Post 3370768)
"you should have at least 1/4" gap between adjuster and cylinder casting."

If you haven't 1/4" either chain or guides need replacement. The adjuster itself doesn't wear.

OK so I take out the whole adjuster then try to push it back in and if there's no gap somthing is warn ? If there is a 1/4 gap what should I look at then ? Sorry for the sane questions I just am new to loud rattleing noises lol not sure what to really look for

merryman 08-20-2017 01:34 AM

If the chain is the problem, there probably won't be any gap at all, just telling you how to check if you need a new one on the rebuild. As I wrote earlier, engine noises are bad to find, all you can do is check everything when you have the cylinder off, measure the wearing parts, and replace any that are undersize.

KQ2492 08-20-2017 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by merryman (Post 3370818)
If the chain is the problem, there probably won't be any gap at all, just telling you how to check if you need a new one on the rebuild. As I wrote earlier, engine noises are bad to find, all you can do is check everything when you have the cylinder off, measure the wearing parts, and replace any that are undersize.

Will do thanks when I do the rebuild I'm prolly just gunna redo the whole top bore new kit and maby valves if they look rough and chain

I'll take the adjuster out soon and post back with a answer thanks again


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