I see what you are saying Gary, however a 300hp (305hp) camaro doesn't put out 520 foot pounds of torque. Going by a stock LS1, anyway.

 

Gary- the 300hp camaro and the 300hp truck have very different max torque #'s !!! The higher hp vehicle will not always have the most torque. I've never seen any 2-strokes let alone Shees make any torque at low rpm. Their torque #'s are always low but not their hp. Remember torque gets you moving but horsepower keeps you moving. 2 strokes make big hp, so do in-line 4 cyclinder streetbike engines,BUT v-twins have always been known for their TORQUE {bottom end baby} and not their hp. Same thing goes for 2 vs. 4 strokes. 4 strokes usually make more torque as do diesels than their counterparts. 2 strokes only make power{hp} at high rpms because of their lack of TORQUE. There are many pros and cons of both atv engines.

 

Q]I see what you are saying Gary, however a 300hp (305hp) camaro doesn't put out 520 foot pounds of torque. Going by a stock LS1, anyway. [/i] >>

I explained why as well.
Guys, you have totally missed the point. I gave you the keys to the house of Torque and you threw them back to me. Sheesh. Later guys....enjoy that torque.

 

Sorry, Gary, I must have missed your explanation. I hope your not taking me wrong, it's just that if I'm under the wrong impression I want to be corrected. However, from what I can gather from what your saying, in a nut shell, that is if a motor makes more HP is also makes more torque, and that is just not accurate in all cases, from what I know anyway.

 

Lets give an example:

A diesel engine lets say makes 250hp @ 3000rpm and a gasoline engine makes 250hp @ 3000rpm. What will make the most torque? The diesel will, thats why they make diesel engines. Your formula may be right but there must be other factors involved too. A 2-stroke sucks bad for torque, but makes wicked horsepower. Torque is how much you can move and horsepower is how fast you can get it there.

 

Right ON!!

 

Wading back in gentlemen......


<< that is if a motor makes more HP is also makes more torque, and that is just not accurate in all cases, from what I know anyway. >>

I am not trying to state that if an engine makes more HP, then it has more torque. It's all about what rpm the engine is designed to make torque. The diesel is designed to make torque at low rpms.....the gasoline is designed to make torque at higher rpms. Sort of like comparing the Z400 to the higher revving Banshee. Horsepower is simply a derivative of torque at any rpm.


<< A diesel engine lets say makes 250hp @ 3000rpm and a gasoline engine makes 250hp @ 3000rpm. What will make the most torque >>

Your example is simply where these 2 completely different engine designs intersect on a torque graph and are making the same torque. The diesel has already made peak torque and is on the &quot;downhill swing&quot; of making torque and the gasoline engine is still making torque.

 

I just thought you were saying more HP anywhere in the RPM range would produce more torque, but your not.

 

Ok, very good, Gary. I was misunderstanding what you were saying. Does anyone have the actual torque #'s for either machine?

Aside from all, I just rcv'd the new ATV Action and there is a review of the Z400. They, too, were very impressed with it. However, I found a contradiction. They state in one area where the clutch laughed at them and they used it alot because of the lack of low end power. Not to far down from there they goin into saying that it makes great low end power. WTF? How is the low end power on this machine? I'm sure pipe and jet will certainly take care of any lack of low end power. It almost seems as they copy and pasted from the Dirt Wheels test. Just thought I'd throw that in as well.

 

The magazines are useless, this is where you will find all your usefull information. I find the power to good on the bottom, it won't have the power of the raptor on the bottom. In first gear I can feather the clutch out and it won't stall, no throttle either.