If Honda is the last to offer EFI on a quad then it will be for a good reason. EFI just like IRS may not always the best solution. When you consider cost, reliability, and performance; sometimes the old tried and true is better. I have seen here over and over again how bad the stability can be on many quads with IRS (tippy, top heavy Grizzlys). Are the four small rear axle U-joints going to be as reliable as the solid axle? And what kind of problems are you going to have with new EFI systems. For sure they wont be as simple to tune as changing or cleaning jets on a carb.
I predict the 05 Honda Foreman 4X4 Manual Shift model will spend less time in the dealer's shop than the 05 Suzuki King Quad.

 

I looked at Honda's but I needed Diff-Lock. I ride in the woods and I get off camber alot, even with IRS [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

No IRS and No Diff-Lock is why I didn't buy a Honda. Honda's are great quads if don't need power or a decent 4x4 system. I think it would make an excellent quad for my wife.


You give up alot to ride a Honda ATV.

 

There is a lot I would have given up to buy any other ATV.

 

Ya, less cash hahaha

 

Like a top heavy, overheating, axle breaking, belt slipping ATV. hahahahahahahaha

 

Everyone complains that there is no lock on a honda....go and buy the detroit or the warn locker and that problem will be solved.

 

nm, I was having fun Honda bashing [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

but I do like Hondas.. I have ridden many Honda's and their ATV's do have a niche in the ATV world. I think of a Honda as a great
atv for tooling around on. Not for extreme riders but a nice quad for the wife's for sure.

and I strictly talking Utilities from Honda.

 

Engine Type 649cc liquid-cooled OHV semi-dry-sump longitudinally mounted single-cylinder four-stroke - nice size engine
Bore and Stroke 100.0mm x 82.6mm
Carburetion 37mm CV - for the price you pay this should be fuel injected
Ignition CD with electronic advance
Starter Electric with auxiliary recoil
DRIVE TRAIN
Transmission Automatic with hydraulic torque converter, three forward gears, reverse, and electronic controls mumbo jumbo crap, give me a belt
Driveline Direct front and rear driveshafts with torque-sensing front differential -- NO LOW RANGE? NO DIFF LOCK? WTF?
CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES
Front Suspension Independent double-wishbone; 6.9-inch travel -- less than 7 inches of travel??? WTF?? No wonder it's not "top heavy" it's like riding a red rider wagon!
Rear Suspension Independent double-wishbone; 8.0-inch travel -- 8 inches?? Red Rider (tm) wagon here for sure!
Front Brakes Triple-sealed hydraulic drum -- DRUM!! DRUMM!!! WTF on an 8 THOUSAND DOLLAR MACHINE I would expect disks!
Rear Brake Single hydraulic disc
Front Tires 25 x 8-12 radial
Rear Tires 25 x 10-12 radial
DIMENSIONS
Length 83.7 inches
Width 46.1 inches
Height 47.5 inches
Wheelbase 50.8 inches
Seat Height 34.5 inches -- ya no suspension is why, this thing is made for smurfs!
Ground Clearance 10.0 inches -- speaking of smurfs!
Turning Radius 10.8 feet
Dry Weight 600.0 pounds -- not bad for a 650 class machine, same as the Grizz
Fuel Capacity 4.5 gallons, including 1.0-gallon reserve -- needs more fuel, specially for a 650 class machine
Available Colors Black, Olive, Red -- no camo! wtf wtf, oh NM this isn't a good Hunting machine. They should make Pink a color for thing.
Model ID TRX650FGA
FACTORY WARRANTY INFORMATION
6 months Coverage of defects in materials and workmanship -- If Honda's are soooo reliable why not a 6 year warranty?

****Drumroll**** all for a low low Base MSRP $7,899 *gasp* Low?


ok so what did you give up to get a different machine again? maybe this:

Type 660cc, 4-Stroke Single, Liquid Cooled w/ Fan, 5-Valve SOHC [ohh, SOHC? /Grin POWAH BABY!! What, does Honda have that or the old style pushrods? oh yup hehhe Honda has OHV yup pushrods [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] [/i]
Bore x Stroke 100 x 84mm
Compression Ratio 9.1:1
Carburetion Mikuni 42mm BSR
Ignition DC – CDI
Starting System Electric w/ Auxiliary pull
Transmission Yamaha Ultramatic® V-Belt with all-wheel engine braking / Hi,Lo,Neut.,Rev.,Park low range baby!
Drive Train Yamaha On-Command® push button 3-way locking differential, 2WD, 4WD, locked 4WD; Shaft Diff-Lock is a MUST HAVE for me
Chassis Suspension/Front Independent Double Wishbone, 7.1” w/ 5-way Preload Adjustment more is better [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Suspension/Rear Independent Double Wishbone, 9.5” w/ 5-way Preload Adjustment
Brakes/Front Dual Hydraulic Discs
Brakes/Rear Hydraulic Disc, Four Piston, Shaft Mounted
Tires/Front AT25 x 8-12 w/ Aluminum Wheels
Tires/Rear AT25 x 10-12 w/ Aluminum Wheels
Dimensions L x W x H 82.1” x 45.3” x 47.6”
Seat Height 34.6”
Wheelbase 50.2”
Turning Radius 126”
Ground Clearance 11.8” no smurfs here!
Fuel Capacity 5.3 Gallons nice for these big bores, they eat gas
Dry Weight 600 Lbs.
Rack Capacity 99 Lbs.Fr. / 187 Lbs.Rr.
Towing Capacity 1,212 Lbs.
Other Instrumentation Digital LCD Multi-function display. Speedo, Odometer, Dual Trip, Hour, Clock, Fuel, & Gear Position
Lighting Dual 30W Krypton Multi-reflector Headlights & 21/5W Brake light sounds cool but really it needs more light for my tastes
Dc Outlet Standard
Colors Hunter Green; Red; Steel Blue; Hunter Editions (Realtree Hardwoods® High Definition Camouflage & Advantage Wetlands™ Camouflage); MetallicBlack (Special Edition) No need for Pink here [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Warranty 6 Month (Limited Factory Warranty)

so now *****Drum Roll ***** you get all of this for $7,199 !! woot!! more for less!

 

hondarider86

The point is that if your paying top dollar for something why would anyone pay more for a feature that has to be added later on. All of this just to to make it comparable to a lower cost product. It's like going to Burger King and buying a Whopper, but because they don't offer any meat to go on their "quality" buns, taking your newly purchased Whopper across the street to Jack in the Box and having meat added. When you could have gone to McDonalds and gotten the whole thing cheaper.

 

Type 660cc, 4-Stroke Single, Liquid Cooled w/ Fan, 5-Valve SOHC [ohh, SOHC? /Grin POWAH BABY!! What, does Honda have that or the old style pushrods? oh yup hehhe Honda has OHV yup pushrods
Bore x Stroke 100 x 84mm
Compression Ratio 9.1:1
Carburetion Mikuni 42mm BSR
Ignition DC – CDI
Starting System Electric w/ Auxiliary pull
Transmission Yamaha Minimatic® Rubberband with all-wheel engine braking / Hi,Lo,Neut.,Rev.,Park low range baby!
Drive Train Yamaha No-Command® push button 3-way locking differential, 2WD, 4WD, locked 4WD; Shaft Diff-Lock is a MUST HAVE for me and needed to follow a Honda
Chassis Suspension/Front Independent Double Wishbone, 7.1” w/ 5-way Preload Adjustment more is better
Suspension/Rear Independent Double Wishbone, 9.5” w/ 5-way Preload Adjustment
Brakes/Front Dual Hydraulic Discs
Brakes/Rear Hydraulic Disc, Four Piston, Shaft Mounted
Tires/Front AT25 x 8-12 w/ Aluminum Wheels
Tires/Rear AT25 x 10-12 w/ Aluminum Wheels
Dimensions L x W x H 82.1” x 45.3” x 47.6”
Seat Height 34.6”
Wheelbase 50.2”
Turning Radius 126”
Ground Clearance 11.8” no smurfs here!
Fuel Capacity 5.3 Gallons nice for these big bores, they eat gas
Dry Weight 600 Lbs.
Rack Capacity 99 Lbs.Fr. / 187 Lbs.Rr.
Towing Capacity 1,212 Lbs.
Other Instrumentation Digital LCD Multi-function display. Speedo, Odometer, Dual Trip, Hour, Clock, Fuel, & Gear Position
Lighting Dual 30W Krypton Multi-reflector Headlights & 21/5W Brake light sounds cool but really it needs more light for my tastes
Dc Outlet Standard
Colors Hunter Green; Red; Steel Blue; Hunter Editions (Realtree Hardwoods® High Definition Camouflage & Advantage Wetlands™ Camouflage); MetallicBlack (Special Edition) No need for Pink here
Warranty 6 Month (Limited Factory Warranty) And no factory support after warranty period; vapor locking, axles, 01 Raptor trans
Mask, so friends don't recognize its you riding a Yamaha

Ya, I think they sold one of those out here once, but that is just a rumor because no one has seen it. We ride in a very large group of ATVs, one Grizz. They do have some nice features, but our friend bought his because of the cheap price too.