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This hole swamped an Arctic Cat H1 and a Yamaha Grizzly 660. I didn't know how deep it was, I only heard a guy in our group tell everyone else that I could make it through, so I rode to the front to see what the commotion was. Next thing I know I was up to my handlebars!!


The first two pics are of the hole, the last pic shows what kind of ground clearance I have so you can get an idea of how deep it was.

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I have looked everywhere to find out how to snorkel my Ozark. I am so proud to own one as I too have got through some situations that other riders have just scratched their heads. It is often quite a show.

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: scalleja

I have looked everywhere to find out how to snorkel my Ozark. I am so proud to own one as I too have got through some situations that other riders have just scratched their heads. It is often quite a show.</end quote></div>

There are several ways to snorkel an Ozark. The snorkel I was running in these pics was 1 1/2" PVC ran into a hole in the side of the stock air box that I sealed up. My current snorkel replaces the air box completely and has the air filter on the end of the snorkel. I've even seen a couple of guys with Ozarks trim a bit of the plastic between the seat and fuel tank and mearly extended the factory snorkel up a few inches.

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I tried originally to replace the airbox and snorkeling it but I could not get the airflow right and it kept running poorly. I also could not find the room to keep the airbox and run a pipe through the frame. Could you send me some pics of the workmanship? I am sure that there are a lot of people that would like to snorkel their Suzi's.

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haha thats sick man.

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So did you make it out yourself, or get stuck needing to winch your self or
winched/pulled by someone else? What inch and type of tires are you running?

Cheers,

R'

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: RticKwad

So did you make it out yourself, or get stuck needing to winch your self or

winched/pulled by someone else? What inch and type of tires are you running?



Cheers,



R'</end quote></div>

I was able to turn my Ozark around in the hole and drive it out under it's own power.


Currently and in that picture I was running 24" X 9" X 11" Dirt Hook front tires and 25" X 9.5" X 12" Outlaws on the back. Stock tires are only 22" tall front and back.

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Well I tell ya, you sure were
up to your snorkels, lol.

So its the type of tires Vs. the size?

I saw a youtube video of a guy
going thru swamp and such with
small mud tires, like he was floating
on it. I think he was running a Honda
Foreman. I still can't understand this,
is it the tires giving it all floatation,
do you do body mods, not to sink
all the way.

If it was mine, it would of been buried
and no hope of winch out, I am sure!

R'

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: RticKwad

Well I tell ya, you sure were

up to your snorkels, lol.



So its the type of tires Vs. the size?



I saw a youtube video of a guy

going thru swamp and such with

small mud tires, like he was floating

on it. I think he was running a Honda

Foreman. I still can't understand this,

is it the tires giving it all floatation,

do you do body mods, not to sink

all the way.



If it was mine, it would of been buried

and no hope of winch out, I am sure!



R'</end quote></div>

When I had my old tires on the back ( 25" X 13.5" X 9" Super Sweamper TSLs) filled up to 10 psi and a basket ball showed in my front grill I my quad would float with me on it!! I was able to float across a creek that was deeper than what the hole was in the pictures above!

So for the most part it is only tires that give flotation in those situations.

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So what you are saying is that it is not really the size of
the tire or mud tire type but just jack up the PSI?

Obviously, you were going thru some deep mud with
water stuff above, were you running 10 PSI or close
on that occassion?

My concern is if I jack my normal 5 PSI up to 10PSI to go
thru deep water, how will it do on the mud underneath
and climbing out and all around? People tell me to even
lower the PSI when going thru thick mud, but as you can see
above, its NOT Either/OR ya need both.

Thoughts?

R'

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: RticKwad

So what you are saying is that it is not really the size of

the tire or mud tire type but just jack up the PSI?



Obviously, you were going thru some deep mud with

water stuff above, were you running 10 PSI or close

on that occassion?



My concern is if I jack my normal 5 PSI up to 10PSI to go

thru deep water, how will it do on the mud underneath

and climbing out and all around? People tell me to even

lower the PSI when going thru thick mud, but as you can see

above, its NOT Either/OR ya need both.



Thoughts?



R'</end quote></div>

No, it's a combination of a small rim AND a large tire AND high inflation pressures.

I found this out accidently because the Super Swampers would not stay sealed unless they had 10 psi of air in them. In the picture above I was running and currently do run 5 psi.

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So what you are saying is that if you had the 10PSI going on
above, you would of been above water pulling yourself thru,
a more desired application for the above?

Regards,

R'

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: RticKwad

So what you are saying is that if you had the 10PSI going on

above, you would of been above water pulling yourself thru,

a more desired application for the above?



Regards,



R'</end quote></div>

Probably not due to my current tires being 9.5" wide instead of 13.5" wide and the current rims being 12" instead of 9". Basically, I'd have to air my current tires up to around 20 psi or so for them to give the same lift that the old ones did at 10 psi.

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Cool, your on-line too, okay is there a measuring stick on PSI
ratio or tire size? I have 26" Carlise (3-ply's) and don't know how
far I can jack the PSI.

Thoughts?

R'

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: RticKwad

Cool, your on-line too, okay is there a measuring stick on PSI

ratio or tire size? I have 26" Carlise (3-ply's) and don't know how

far I can jack the PSI.



Thoughts?



R'</end quote></div>

Yep. It really depends on several things. You have to take into consideration the age of your tires, their overall shape, your riding surface, and how much weight is being put on them. Higher psi in your tires tend to lead to more punctures.

Most ATV tires are rated to run between 4 - 8 psi.

You can try to air them up to 10 psi all around and slowly drive off into some deep water. If the front end sinks with the tires completely submerged then the quad won't float with your current setup.

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: RticKwad



I saw a youtube video of a guy

going thru swamp and such with

small mud tires, like he was floating

on it. I think he was running a Honda

Foreman.



R'</end quote></div>

A Foreman 500 supposedly floats completely stock.

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BTW sweet pics 91CavGT.

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Okay Honda Crusher 93.

What makes the Honda stock float
besides maybe the tires?

R'

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I don't know, I don't like Honda, I just have them so I will always have something to work on. I have just heard from a lot of websites that they do.

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The reason people told you to have even less air pressure in your tires, is because they want you to spread the footprint of the tire out, thus spreading out your weight more, and hopefully keeping you on top of the mud. This only really works if you're trying to go over top of some really thick mud. (with a crust cover) The lesser the air, the more the grip on the tire as it will flex more, so it works well when you're trying to climb out of soggy creek beds with slippery roots and rocks where you need the most tread to the ground as possible... With extra air your tire is taller and gives you better ground clearance. This helps when you want to get to the bottom of the slop and onto firm ground for traction... Sure, they'll be more buoyant... but only in high water content situations... The downfall of the extra air is you reduce your tread to ground ratio on uneven and slippery terrain, thus reducing your over all traction...

Hope that helps...

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Hebs,

Thanks for the info. Okay so the PICS above
in that type of situation you should run more air
right? For deep mudd'n in soupy swampy muskeg
marshy slop, should I have my PSI as inflated
as high as possible?

Thanks,

R'

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My 800 Sportsman is a heavy utility Quad like around 760 lbs plus my 350 lbs.
to boot!

R'

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That's basically a creek bed that he's driving thru. Air isn't really a factor as long as there's firm ground on the bottom. (unless he wants to do water wheelies or float with the help of basket balls and such) I usually run about 6lbs in my tires. Not too low that the bead doesn't break easily... (had it happen before, what a day ruiner) And not too high that I lose traction. (I ride where I need the flex of the tire to grip) Some people run 8lbs up front and 6 in the rear for stability, (body roll) but those guys mostly ride trails... IMHO, you should be running between 6-7lbs on your PoPo when you're mudding...

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Wow, that's CRAZY !!!! LOL[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

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Thanks Hebs for the info. okay between 1 to 2 more PSI
in my tires. Okay got it!

Whats crazy Brnxadk?

R'

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Those pics r crazy!!

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those carlisles are radials. I used to run 20 to 25 in the front and 5 to 10 in the back. Hard tires are nasty in the mud. Keep the back a little lower because you want the back to drop and the front to come up and the back will grab nice.

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didnt get stuck eh.. sweet

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dang that's deep it's a good thing you had a snorkle