NEW GRIZZ... 700 FI
#71
Spud, how long did you look at the picture before you came to all your conclusions. For anybody that actually does work with their quad with the diff. locked, they will appreciate the power steering the most. 4 brakes are better than 3. More sport quads would have it if it weren't for the increased weight (IMO). I'm real curious to hear some stability reports since the gas tank has been repositioned. It still has the lousy tires but the center of gravity should be better.
My only complaint is the fact you have to pay over $200 more for a front bumper. I think Yamaha did a good job and I look forward to the shoot-outs but I'll stick with my 660. $8,500 is just a bit rediculous.
My only complaint is the fact you have to pay over $200 more for a front bumper. I think Yamaha did a good job and I look forward to the shoot-outs but I'll stick with my 660. $8,500 is just a bit rediculous.
#72
Originally posted by: spudley
Sparky, perhaps you would be more pleased with an ABS system. I have not run into a quad yet that could not lock up the rear axle with ease. As for the new grizz I do not see how it could be described as anything other than a dissapointment. Yamaha has done what was easy and not stepped up to the plate. An 800 twin was required and they took the raptor motor instead. I am a loyal yamaha guy, it is all that I have ever owned, but if I was in the market for a ute this grizz would not even be on the radar. Power steering? I don't consider myself as having had a good ride unless I come home with a little case of arm pump. Well if I buy the wife a new quad I guess this would be one to consider.
Sparky, perhaps you would be more pleased with an ABS system. I have not run into a quad yet that could not lock up the rear axle with ease. As for the new grizz I do not see how it could be described as anything other than a dissapointment. Yamaha has done what was easy and not stepped up to the plate. An 800 twin was required and they took the raptor motor instead. I am a loyal yamaha guy, it is all that I have ever owned, but if I was in the market for a ute this grizz would not even be on the radar. Power steering? I don't consider myself as having had a good ride unless I come home with a little case of arm pump. Well if I buy the wife a new quad I guess this would be one to consider.
#74
Originally posted by: Starky
Spud, how long did you look at the picture before you came to all your conclusions. For anybody that actually does work with their quad with the diff. locked, they will appreciate the power steering the most. 4 brakes are better than 3. More sport quads would have it if it weren't for the increased weight (IMO). I'm real curious to hear some stability reports since the gas tank has been repositioned. It still has the lousy tires but the center of gravity should be better.
My only complaint is the fact you have to pay over $200 more for a front bumper. I think Yamaha did a good job and I look forward to the shoot-outs but I'll stick with my 660. $8,500 is just a bit rediculous.
Spud, how long did you look at the picture before you came to all your conclusions. For anybody that actually does work with their quad with the diff. locked, they will appreciate the power steering the most. 4 brakes are better than 3. More sport quads would have it if it weren't for the increased weight (IMO). I'm real curious to hear some stability reports since the gas tank has been repositioned. It still has the lousy tires but the center of gravity should be better.
My only complaint is the fact you have to pay over $200 more for a front bumper. I think Yamaha did a good job and I look forward to the shoot-outs but I'll stick with my 660. $8,500 is just a bit rediculous.
#75
Originally posted by: Sparky660<brGrizzly is the best selling quad in Canada and the Kodiak 450 is second.
What are your sources?
#76
Originally posted by: oldturtle
I just heard from dealer who attended Las Vegas show some more interesting items. A major factor in design of new griz was making machine more waterprof for the mud riders. So all electronics including ECM and the battery are now located forward and high. Same for the airbox, airbox snorkle, and tranny intake and exhaust breathers. The dealer says the air box is under the cowling just behind the handle bars where tank used to be and the battery and ECM are forward of handlebars. This dealer also seemed to believe that the power steering is designed so that when power steering has mechanical or electrical problem that quad can be operated about as easily as a regular steering quad just without the power boost and damping. I have some doubts about this however.
Regarding the dual rear brake controversy, seems to me that any quad can lock up the rear end at will. So I think the dual system will give better feel and control. I also think the dual brakes have the potential to last longer depending on the design just because you have more brake pads doing the same amount of stopping work. Dual brakes also have potential to run cooler and this could have less brake fluid contamination than a single rear disc but this is all kind of one big guess.
I just heard from dealer who attended Las Vegas show some more interesting items. A major factor in design of new griz was making machine more waterprof for the mud riders. So all electronics including ECM and the battery are now located forward and high. Same for the airbox, airbox snorkle, and tranny intake and exhaust breathers. The dealer says the air box is under the cowling just behind the handle bars where tank used to be and the battery and ECM are forward of handlebars. This dealer also seemed to believe that the power steering is designed so that when power steering has mechanical or electrical problem that quad can be operated about as easily as a regular steering quad just without the power boost and damping. I have some doubts about this however.
Regarding the dual rear brake controversy, seems to me that any quad can lock up the rear end at will. So I think the dual system will give better feel and control. I also think the dual brakes have the potential to last longer depending on the design just because you have more brake pads doing the same amount of stopping work. Dual brakes also have potential to run cooler and this could have less brake fluid contamination than a single rear disc but this is all kind of one big guess.
Basically, they followed in ACs footsteps, thats were my airbox is. And the tank is in the back, and they sealed everything up for water and mud. Its a good idea, and you wll be very happy[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
#77
I can see why the Grizz 660 was and is a great seller. It's been around and proven to be reliable. But also you could easily get one for well under $7000. So many will buy it because it's powerfull but yet is in the same price range as many 500cc quads. But now the 700 with some nice features is going to be a good $1000 more and for many it will be out of there price range. Then for others who can afford are looking that the 700 is allmost the same price as the 800 twin quads. The 800's both have awesome power, brakes will stop you on a dime, tires are way better, and the torque of the twins are unreal. The 700 will sell good, but IMHO I don't think it will take over what the 660 brings to the table. I think Yammi was smart not to stop making the 660.
#78
This was in regards to the 4th brake "More sport quads would have it if it weren't for the increased weight (IMO)."
Do you feel the same on the power steering? I bet Sparky660 thinks so.
Most of the stoping is done with the front breaks and not the rear. You only need enough power to stop the rear axle. At that point the brakes cant help you anymore and its about traction to stop you. (remember you are on dirt). Just as effective as the brakes are stoping is the Engine breaking.
IMO, I think Yamaha hit the nail on the head with new Grizzly though. All the updates they did where what the previous grizzly was short on. I dont think they need a big engine to sell but a twin would of been way better. Overall they built a great quad. Unfortunatly the MSRP's are so high on them they priced there way out of competition.Its not that the MSRP is so much higher than the others its that I dont see any features on it that makes another brand loyalist jump ship. I think only the brand loyal will buy. Considering you can get a sportsman 800 for 7500 and outlander 800 standard for 7800 or 650 outlander for 7k and brute force for under 7K and grizzly 660 for under 7k it makes it a tough sell for a non yamaha loyalist until the dealers are more willing to negotiate on price.
Do you feel the same on the power steering? I bet Sparky660 thinks so.
Most of the stoping is done with the front breaks and not the rear. You only need enough power to stop the rear axle. At that point the brakes cant help you anymore and its about traction to stop you. (remember you are on dirt). Just as effective as the brakes are stoping is the Engine breaking.
IMO, I think Yamaha hit the nail on the head with new Grizzly though. All the updates they did where what the previous grizzly was short on. I dont think they need a big engine to sell but a twin would of been way better. Overall they built a great quad. Unfortunatly the MSRP's are so high on them they priced there way out of competition.Its not that the MSRP is so much higher than the others its that I dont see any features on it that makes another brand loyalist jump ship. I think only the brand loyal will buy. Considering you can get a sportsman 800 for 7500 and outlander 800 standard for 7800 or 650 outlander for 7k and brute force for under 7K and grizzly 660 for under 7k it makes it a tough sell for a non yamaha loyalist until the dealers are more willing to negotiate on price.
#79
Wow a verbal trashing, I guess I should have expected that. Now I have my opinions and you have yours, I love hard acceleration and man handling a set of bars, I guess some people are a little more frail and do not. I do own a sport quad but I ride ute's fairly often, as a matter as a fact the brute force 750 is the one I ride the most. I love that machine, but once again I like it because it has lots of power and I think riding a wheelie on a 700 pound machine is cool. I wish yamaha the best of luck on this new grizz, there probably is enough die hard yamaha guys to pull it off, but I know in my circle of friends the grizz 700 will not be on the tips of everybodys tongues.
#80
When are they going to test it. They may have let the 700cc's go on that thing. You can make all these other ute's fast by spending a couple a hundred dollars. Maybe they made a 700 that will whip ***. My 700 Prairie will out run a 700KQ and a 800Sportsman. Maybe this thing will outrun everything but an outy. That's plenty fast, because the outy has not built a fram yet, that will stand up to a beating. I do not like the idea of two brakes in the rear. Not needed. And for mudders it will cost them. Because when you get mud in there it wears pads out wether or not you use your brakes. But, you could always disable one side. I think it will be a good machine. Then in a couple of years they will make a 800 and sale brand new wheelers to all those people buying them this year. SMART, on yamaha's part. Yamaha builds good equipment, so I would'nt be afraid to buy one. That power steering would be nice when trying to wobble one through a mudhole. Hope it holds up.(power steering) If it does I will be looking at putting it on mine. If at all possible. Mudders, I mean real mudder need it. It's hard to steer one through a mudhole and drink a beer. So I like the idea![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]


