im just sayin i see alot more 450s and raptors than are faster than banshees than banshees that are faster. alot of em have pipes filters and jets and they think there fast as ****. i got nothin against shee's. i wanted one for the longest time, but i looked at a raptor and to me is a better bike. alot more practical for what i do. to me shee's are for open areas and goin fast and not much els. unless u put alot of money into them. i do alot of woods riding, some mx, and some sand riding. i used to be a die hard 2 stroke guy whould said " id never get a 4 stroke" but road the 660 adn was like ok maby i was wrong. bash me for whatever but im just sayin what i see.