Well I finally ordered some tires and rims. Black ITP type-7's with 26" swamplites. Did alot of reading on alot of tires before I decided on these. Wanted to stay with 12" rims due to tire availability. My buddies all run either XTR's or Executioners and it seems like I am always the first one up the hill while they are stuck cause they just dug holes, so I gotta put my winch to work. That is with my stock dunlop's by the way. Not saying dunlops are a better tire, they may just be better for the loose stuff we ride in. We ride in mainly sand and trails, some mud and rocks. I wanted to get away from the big lug bar tractor style tire so that is why I went with the swamplites. I read good things and bad things about them, which that goes for any tire. They were priced reasonable and had a unique tread on them. The set up ran me $580 from an online dealer which is pretty much the cheapest I could find. Probably some out there cheaper but don't have hours to spend online searching. Anyway, hope this helps someone out on tire selection. There will never be a perfect tire for every situation so you just gotta look at what you will be riding in the most and go from there.