Hi guys,
I just started a topic about 90-110cc quads (BMS vs Jetmoto) and would like any input you can provide there too...

However, I'm also considering 110cc atvs just because there are more options and from what I have been reading about raceway on this forum, I'm pretty sure I want to order one from you guys.

You carry the jetmoto line, but you also carry kazuma. Are kazuma and Redcat the same? Can you get redcat atvs? My question is this. If I pick up a 110cc atv, I would most likely be looking at the Jetmoto 110, Redcat MPX110, or BMS 110 atv. I am leaning toward the jetmoto because I want to be able to get parts and support after the sale and from what I see here in this forum your customer service is excellent.

Can you tell me if the jetmoto is a better buy than the others? Are there features, specs that set it apart in any way? Or are they basically the same quads. (I'm mostly interested in safety features, suspension travel/plushness, wheelbase (wider/longer is better), and overall component quality.) Do you stock parts for the Jetmotos? Redcats?

My son is 7 years old and is about 65 lbs and approximately 4-1/2 ft tall. Would the jetmoto be a good fit for him? he has a 22" inseam.

 

I cant tell you what to buy but i will say i purchased a jm 125 for my son recently from raceway and so far have been very happy. If the 110 size is anything like the 125 this quad will be to big for your son.This 125 is very large.My son is average size 10 yr old and i dont think anyone smaller would be big enough.Just my opinion.I have a honda 250ex and his is darn near as large.

 

I appreciate your input. Thanks again.

I think the110 is smaller. not much, but it is smaller. The seat height on the 125 is 29" and the one on the 110 is 26.5". Wheelbase is different too.

The 125 has dimensions of:
Length: 60 Width: 39 Height: 38 with a seat height of 29"

The 110 is:
Length: 57 Width: 36 Height: 38 with a seat height of 26.5"

Hopefully it is different enough to work for him. I will have to consider that though.

 

Wes,

First off, you are making the right decision to buy from Raceway for your Chinese quad purchase. Second, Kazuma and Redcat are the same company. Jetmoto and Redcat/Kazuma are among the best of the Chinese quads out there, and the parts availability is plentiful for both. Though I have never owned or ridden one (I would like to though), I have heard nothing but good about the new Jetmoto's that are out. If you want to know how the Jetmotos are, send a PM to mywifesquad. He is a product tester for Eugene at Jetmoto, and he gets new quads to test before they are even available to the public. They then make engineering and design changes based on his recommendations. I will say that aside from a bad ball joint I encountered yesterday on our Redcat FX-150, this quad has been excellent. We beat the sh_t out of it since we have had it, and it's held up with no major problems aside from the ball joint.

Another piece of advice I will give you. No matter which quad you go with, I recommend you buy wheel spacers from Raceway as well. The increase in stability will give you some more piece of mind while your kid is riding.

My 2 cents.

 

I just bought two JM bikes from Raceway for Christmas... a 110 for my 6 year old son, a 125 for my 10 year old daughter. The 125 is the better bike, but not by much. The front disc brakes are easier to operate than the front drums on the 110. But that's about the only difference, not sure it's worth the $300 price difference. I'm 5'11" and 195lbs, and either bike will pull me around no problem. Both will run 30+mph if I want them to. So neither are down on power. Throttle response is much better than I expected with a little 4 stoke engine like these. Both bikes are very very quiet too...
The 110 is a bit big for my son. He's about 46" and weighs around 50lbs. The 125 is perfect for my daughter, she's about 53" and weighs around 70lbs. My daughter handles the bike fine, but I make her just use first or second gear. She got the shifting part down fine, and can shift from reverse to 2nd w/o difficulty.
I was a bit worried that I got one too big for my son on Christmas morning! I throttled it all the way down with the throttle limiting screw, I had to take the set nut off of it to get it slowed down enough. He to has figured out the reverse-neutral-first shift - I don't let him get into second yet. He does have problems stopping the bike quickly though, as he doesn't have a big enough hand or enough hand strength to pull the levers easily. To stop it fairly quickly he's developed a technique of grabbing both brake levers, putting his feet up on the front fenders beside the fuel tank, and rearing back! This works, but I worry that it might catapult him over the bars if he hit something! He has no problem turning it; he's just tall enough that when he stands up on the pegs his butt just clears the seat. Even with it throttled down, and in only first gear, it has enough power to pull him uphill from a standing still start; going downhill the little motor just screams and he easily hits 10mph....
Both bike seem very stable. I got the Jetmotos because they had the widest stance of any kids bikes I came across. I took the 110 our and tried to turn it over, could not. Both bikes have steering limiters to prevent sharp turning at first - these tabs can be bent down to improve turning radius once they get bigger and become better riders. I may still add the spacers on the front end of these bikes, esp my sons... he hasn't quite gotten the concept of slowing down when turning! Overall quality seems to be pretty good. These little motors have gotten quite the workout in the week we've had them. With both bikes limited to first gear only to begin with, both engines have seen high rpm's quite abit. No problems with either. I did change the oil to Rotella 15-40 before I ran them, and swapped the plugs to NGK C7HSA plugs. Both of the torch plugs fouled quickly during carb setup. Both engines started and ran easily the first time they were cranked. I taped up all the wires I could access, and used dielectric grease on all the plugs.
Quality overall seems to be good for what I paid for these bikes. The suspension is pretty soft, esp on the front - this is a good thing. I have had to do some work on both bikes though. Issue so far include:
1. One of the grease fitting on the front A arm broke off on the 125 - I still need to replace it.
2. The heat shield bracket on the exhaust of the 110 broke off - I had to reweld it. This is probably because at high rpm use there's alot of vibration....
3. The weatherproof boots on the front lights don't seal the bulbs... It was raining all day here Christmas, which didn't keep the kids indoors! Both bikes were run for 3-4 hours in the rain, water got into one of the lights and shorted the bulb..... Should be an easy fix. No problems with the wet conditions otherwise...
4. The plastic on the 125 doesn't seem to fit togather as well as on the 110 in the area around the fuel tank... I may need to get some glue to help keep it from popping apart..
5. The front spindles and tie rod ends need extra washers to make the castle nuts fit correctly...
6. There is a lack of grease fittings in areas I think could benefit from then... on the control arm bushings, the swingarm bushing, and the rear axle housing... don't know whether I should add them or not (any suggestions here??)
7. The intake pipe from the carb to the cylinder head loosened at the head, which let the intake gasket tear and fall out. This led to my wife having to push the quad home as the bike wouldn't run. I should have checked these bolts after a few hours of run time, but didn't. Replaced the intake gasket and all was well. Checked the engine bolts on the other bike, they were all fine. Both exhaust pipe bolts were loose but not surprised - these get loose on any new build due to stretching, heat, and vibration. I'll keep an eye on these over time.

Again, overall very pleased with the two bikes, and my kids (esp my son) kept saying over and over "this is the best Christmas ever"... That made it all worthwhile!

 

Raceway is the best choice as far as dealer sales and support go, but Kazuma and Redcat are not the same company.

Redcat is a US distributor that sold two different lines of ATVs. Redcat sold the Kazuma line which were the Dingo, Falcon, and Meerkat models. Redcat also sold the VX and new MPX models which are purchased from a company called Tomoto. As far as I can tell it looks like Redcat discontinued some of the Kazuma models and now carry the new Tomoto Line up.

BMS also used Tomoto as their U.S. supplier. The BMS 150 and 200 and Redcat's VX 150 and 200 models were virtually the same quads. BMS has changed factories and now use the same factory as Jackel, and Shinima (Yanoto) a.k.a.Yamoto before they sold the Yamoto name to Patriot Motorcycles. All the quads listed here are decent Chinese quads. They all work for their intended use, just remember they are all going to break even the Jetmoto's.

Wes77,

When deciding which model to purchase, make sure the dealer you choose will be there for you after the sale. Just like Raceway is for their customers and even non-customers. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

If you can, wait until Jetmoto releases their new line up. You will have even more choices to consider. What's nice is you have the opportunity to purchase a new and improved model from all of the companies talked about here. You just have to decide which one you want. Each company has made some needed and new design changes to their quads.

It is important to remember they are all Chinese quads. With that said they all have a lot more work ahead of them to become more reliable. Just make sure you have a good set of wrenches and want to spend a little extra time maintaining your Chinese quad.

As you can see even edhunter has had some issues but nothing that can be taken care of.

Good review edhunter. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Wes77,

Keep us posted on the model you choose and how well the quad holds up.

Good luck with your new quad purchase. I hope your son enjoys his new ride.


SB.

 

The Jetmoto 110/110/150 and early '06 200's are all within inch or so of each other. No real big difference in physical size.

 

Thanks mywife's quad. Do you know why the specs are different? or do they just sit slightly different with the different sized engines in them. I'm kind of confused about the size of these rigs. I just stopped in at the local honda dealer to check out the size of their trx90 for size comparison purposes. From what I see, I think this quad (the trx 90) would fit my son well right now. He wouldn't have much (if any) growing room, but he should easily be able to handle this size of quad.

It has specifications of length: 58.2" width: 35.2" height: 36.5" and a seat height of 26.5

according to Jetmoto their 110 quad has dimensions of: length: 57 width: 36 height: 38 with a seat height of 26.5"

I honestly figured they were about the same size by their specs. you would think they would be, but maybe they are measured differently or something.

It is difficult to imagine how big these things are. Are their size specifications estimates? You say that the 110, 125, and 200 are basically the same size. I was just wondering why the 110 says it has a 26.5" seat height and the 125 says it has a 29" seat height. Is it just suspension sag on the 110? Are these meant to be adult quads? They would be pretty underpowered at 110cc you would think for an adult.

In your opinion, are the jetmoto 110cc atvs (in size) more like an older 250 size honda (ex I think) or more like a trx 90? or somewhere in between maybe leaning toward one or the other...

After the replies I have gotten, I was thinking that maybe I should be looking at a baby falcon 110cc from kazuma or something similar. It's not as tricked out, but if the jetmoto's are as big as people are saying maybe I should stay away from them.

One member said to wait until the new jetmoto's come out and there will be more selection. Is there a new 90cc model coming out that is smaller? Just curious. Thanks again for all of your help and replies.

-Wes

 

I have no idea why they are listed as they are. I just have had the 125 and the 110 next too each other and there is very little diference in actual size. The 110 is a little shorter but I did sell a couple of them to adults when I worked at the dealership. Both were for wives in the 5'6" range. I dont want you to think they are all exactly the same size. The 200 is bigger than the 110/125 and 150. I just dont think there is more than 2" from the 110 to the early 200's. There were a few 200's at the end of the year that were about a inch taller than the other 200's and had a 6" longer wheel base.

And yes there is going to be a bunch of new quads and dirt bikes available early next year. 50/70/90 and 110's and they will be smaller than what is currently offered.

 

Wes; I just posted some pics of my two kids with the JM110 and JM125. Both are very similar in size, but the seat height is lower on the 110. It may take an hour or so before the pics show up under my username...