I was in a Honda shop the other day and was talking to the parts guy behind the counter about general Honda ATV info and I noticed an extreme motocross bike video playing in the background. So I asked the guy, "dude how come everytime I come in here you guys are always playing the same dirtbike videos, why don't you guys play Huevos the ATV video or such?" The guy kind of shook his head and a couple of wannabe MX dirtbike guys just started laughing beside me. I turned and looked at them and was like what wtf? I said "excuse me what sup?" One of the guys proceded to tell me that ATV's were far from being extreme. He pointed at the video where this guy was doign a nack nack on a tripple jump and started gloating that until ATV's could do that, that they would never be in the same league. Well, I told these guys I had been riding ATVs for about 15 years. And that now more than ever there were alot more sport ATVs out and could do alot more than any dirtbike. So basically we got into this long fight about Dirtbike vs ATV. I was arguing that until a dirtbike could throw its a$$ end around on a dune throwing sand 35 foot in the air, or tackle mud, snow, and powerslide that they could never be totally extreme. Obviously they cared little to even slightly pay attention to what I was saying. I didn't even finish talking before one of the guys got up in my face, and we almost all got kicked out of the Honda shop. Man, wtf? Has there always been a rivalry like this between dirtbike guys and ATV guys? This is crazy. I stay over on the dark side of things in the ATV world and never get out I guess. Is this a new generation thing, I'm better than you type mentality or what? I have never seen this before anywhere....

 

Text cctman: it's a crappy thing that occurs occasionally all over. Up here in WI I don't really notice it much until we go to an AMA MX race or an AMA Shorttrack event. The quad guys are expected to practice absolutely first at like the crack of dawn then usually don't race till last ( even both motos). When we go shorttracking they always water the bejesus out of the track then have all the quad guys go make laps till the track sets in. This I don't mind but if for some reason the track doesn't turn out good the dirt biker types always blame us, not the track owners/promoters. Other than that I have many friends that ride bikes and they all have an open mind. Just stay true to your quad beliefs and roost on brutha. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

alright

lets start a protest!!!


quads rule now and forever!

 

Until I see a quad with 12" suspension, a 125cc motor with more power than a 400 ex, and the technology of a new MX bike, u can keep your ATV.


P.S. You can throw roost in sand, you can slide, and i go through snow better than my uncle on his old 230 quadsport.

 

Yeah just keep an open mind and keep it real. Obviously they don't ride sport quads so how the hell would they know?

Keep it real dudes!

 

<< Until I see a quad with 12&quot; suspension, a 125cc motor with more power than a 400 ex, and the technology of a new MX bike, u can keep your ATV.


P.S. You can throw roost in sand, you can slide, and i go through snow better than my uncle on his old 230 quadsport. >>




OK chump.... Obviously you have never seen a houevos video huh? You can jump a quad just about as far as you can a dirtbike. There is virtually nothing you can do on a dirtbike that you can not do on a quad. I would like to see you pull a powerslide on a full size modified quad around a corner while up on the two rear wheels while your laying on the gas. Now thats a rush! That aint going to happen on a dirtbike. And no I have seen many dirtbike videos with top pro riders riding in the dunes. I don't call a roost one where you plant your right foot down on the ground while you attempt to throw sand in the air all the while trying to prevent from keeping the bike from falling over. I dont know maybe its just me, but any sport where you have to put your foot down on a machine everytime you stop kind of reminds me of someone that just graduated from having training wheels. I have seen alot of bikes tip over and I remember many times having to step down in a foot of mud on my kdx200 just because I had to stop. I guess thats just one of the benefits of having more contact surface and 4 wheels. However I do not include sportbikes in this analogy because I consider 140hp sportbikes to me mile stones over 30-50 hp smaller dirtbikes. They way I see it is there is an ATV for almost everything you want to do and everyone. Another thing I see as a draw back to dirtbikes is that you can really only modify them so much before they just get to much of a power to weight ratio, and just plain uncontrollable and dangerous. You don't see to many 75+hp dirtbikes around do you? Nope! but you do see some crazy modified ATV's all over the place with that much hp. I have even seen modified crotch rocket engines in ATV's. You would never see that in a dirtbike because there isn't enough contact surface on the rubber to get that much power to the ground. So the argument I'm trying to demonstrate here is that if you really want to get extreme and go for the wicked hp, then you graduate to ATVs and mod the pi$$ out of your ATV. There just more dual purpose. When I lived in Florida and in Georgia that was the one thing I hated about dirtbikes was that you always had to put your foot down while you were sliding around a corner which meant smacking a cactus with your leg occasionally or worse running into a cactus patch and having to put your foot down in it to back out of it. Never seemed to have this problenm when I owned an ATV. Dude I could write a freekin disortation on why ATVs are better than dirtbikes. I have seen more dirtbikes wipe out around sandy coners trying to keep up with ATVs than I have seen ATVs wreck. And I'm not talking about hard packed dirt. I'm talking about white powder sand as in Florida and sand dunes. Damn! you have got me started! Oh well.... !

 

I'm so sorry you have to keep putting your foot down, God forbid it take a little bit of skill and balance to ride off road. The ONLY time I stop and put my foot down is when my lazy ATV riding friends STOP in the middle of a trail &quot;to rest&quot;. And for hp, the Hillclimber i know rides a kx500 frame with a 150 hp Suzuki GS850 engine. You know why dirt bikers can't slide around in the sand on 2 back wheels? We only have one back wheel.

 

cctman.... what is the point of the thread? to try to separate atvers from dirtbikers? if theres any other sport/recreation as close to atvs as dirtbikes are what is it. seems like ppl u should try to get along with.

as to why atvs are better than dirt bikes? differnt needs for differnt ppl. why is one quad better than another? if ppl didnt want differnt things from thier machines there would be 1 atv that everyone rode, and theyd all be the same.
if a group of dirtbikers at the shop likes watching dirtbikes, why complain....its not like their always watching oprah everytime u go in.

no need to split up groups of 'us' that might otherwise help keep groups like the sierra club in check

 

I hvae been riding atv's since I was 4.I am now 16.I have a highly moded 250r.I know what a type of the line race qaud feels like.



But a couple weekends ago I got a chance to ride a 2001 cr125 for an extended period of time.I went every where on it.Up some steep hill cimbs,double jumps,whoops everything.(except mud seeing as it was not my bike)

But anyway this bike is bone stock and it performed better than my 250r.It was just as fast in a straigh line and jumped alot better.after I got comfortable on it pulling a wheelie in 4th was no prob.Now yes My 250r can pop a wheelie in forth but it also has about 4 grand in mods!

For less than I paid for my 250r I could have a brand new 125 that was just as good.


Yes I am way more comfortable on my 250r than the Cr.And would rather have my 250.


Both of them could be extreme and do a 100 ft double.U could do a nac-nac on both,etc.


I have found most dirtbike guys to be really nice but also found some that are jerks.So goes in the qaud world though.


But when I was riding the Cr I went up to a couple guys and asked them if they had saw my freind on my R and they seemed alot more freindly since I was on the bike.


I don't know.I think There is more than enough room on the trails for both qauds and bikes.And he we are all in this fight togother!



86 trx250r setup for mx
97 300ex

 

Right on Ugly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]