The Bush family and the Bin Laden family have been business partners for YEARS!
Please remember Enron. Please remember Haliburton. Please use your heads and see through the fear the gov't. promotes to control our society.

Anyway we get it: WERE SCREWED!

All the people in this nation and these are the two bums we have to choose from. Yipee!

" We the people" have let the gov't do what our forefathers set out to get away from. You go to vote and you can't vote on one issue. They throw in another issue and if you vote yes for the thing you believe in you are also voting for some other thing that is bad for us.
I wish there was someone on the ballot that really cared about us.
Thank's for listening,
B

 

Right on Well spoken!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

I think Mudnuri nailed it, I think that Perot was the last non-puppet to run for Pres and I can't even be sure that wasn't a set up. At least he stood up and told it like it was only to get ridiculed for using graphs.
I hope the internet might change Americans and the world from being these media spoon fed cattle.
I'm not a Kerry supporter but come people, do you really feel Bush has done well for you? Most people don't understand their own finances but do you really think a little tax cut in your direction is equall to years of repayment? Attacks on American soil for what reason? The same policies we are following now, throwing are military into any country we see fit and doing as we please. Has anyone asked the question, would those attacks have come if Bush wasn't President? Bin Laden and the Bushes go way back, what if it were personal?
Speaking of Bin Laden, the most wanted man in the world is still out there and still getting airtime. Bush has stated he isn't concerned of his whereabouts but couldn't wait to get Saddam. How weird is that?
I could go on forever about the failings and corruption of this administration but I have a couple last points. For those who believe we have to keep the same pres to support our troops, you may feel that way but he doesn't. The way we stumbled into Iraq with such poor planning, under manned and under protected was embarrasing. Thank God we had it easy and weren't slaughtered. For Bush to constantly show a lack of respect to the military by trying to cut pay and benfits shows how much he cares.
And to those whose only focus is that keeping Bush keeps riding areas open, do you really believe he gives a rats a$$ that you can ride or is he just making sure big business has access to your public lands?

 

Bin Laden himself said just this week that the attacks had been planned since 1992!!!

Keep in mind, these weren't the first WTC bombings.

The difference isn't weather or not it would have happened the difference is that Bush is doing something about it. . . THE RIGHT THING!

How can anyone say we went to Iraq or Afgan. with poor planning. Seriously, look at the deaths that occured at Vietnam compared to these conflicts. It is truely amazing what our troops have done with such a low number of losses. Our leadership won't say this because they don't want to diminish the sacrafice made my those that lost their lives and their familys that have been left behind but, it is truely amazing how many people we have over there, how much they are doing and how little loss this country has suffered.

Dang. . . I was going to stay out of this. . .

 

EDITED: Do to national security.

 

mudnuri,

You said:" The way we stumbled into Iraq with such poor planning, under manned and under protected was embarrasing. Thank God we had it easy and weren't slaughtered. For Bush to constantly show a lack of respect to the military by trying to cut pay and benfits shows how much he cares. "

I strongly disagree. I am not military, but the way our troops "stumbled" into and around Afghanistan and Iraq astonished me and sent shivers up the spine of North Korea and some other despots out there. You must not have seen any footage from the conflicts, but what I saw was not exactly "easy". I am getting tired of this fantasy that the American military just "got lucky" in the last 3 major conflicts. What Russia could not do in years of pouring their best into Afghanistan, our "under manned and under protected" were able to do in weeks. The takeover in Iraq was even more impressive. I could not be more proud of what our folks in uniform have done.

Now, I must be getting senile, but I have not seen Bush compare our troops to Ghenghis Khan or referred to them as war criminals. Are you implying Kerry holds high regard for our military? g.m.a.b. Kerry voted to send the troops to Iraq and then voted against funding for their supplies (requested by the Bush administration). Take a look at the ratio of support for Bush among military families and that tells the story.


Man! My blood pressure is up! I need to go riding!

 

Lookout!!

The sites are off on my two typing fingers. My reply was in response to the post from mystereid, not mudnuri.

 

You said:" The way we stumbled into Iraq with such poor planning, under manned and under protected was embarrasing. Thank God we had it easy and weren't slaughtered. For Bush to constantly show a lack of respect to the military by trying to cut pay and benfits shows how much he cares. "

I strongly disagree. I am not military, but the way our troops "stumbled" into and around Afghanistan and Iraq astonished me and sent shivers up the spine of North Korea and some other despots out there. You must not have seen any footage from the conflicts, but what I saw was not exactly "easy". I am getting tired of this fantasy that the American military just "got lucky" in the last 3 major conflicts. What Russia could not do in years of pouring their best into Afghanistan, our "under manned and under protected" were able to do in weeks. The takeover in Iraq was even more impressive. I could not be more proud of what our folks in uniform have done.

Now, I must be getting senile, but I have not seen Bush compare our troops to Ghenghis Khan or referred to them as war criminals. Are you implying Kerry holds high regard for our military? g.m.a.b. Kerry voted to send the troops to Iraq and then voted against funding for their supplies (requested by the Bush administration). Take a look at the ratio of support for Bush among military families and that tells the story.


Man! My blood pressure is up! I need to go riding![/quote]

I like it!!!!!!! Take a blood pressure pill today, ride monday and go vote tuesday[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

Duneme, George Herbert Walker Bush 1989-1993, try a search to find why Bin Laden might have a beef with the Bushes.
The scary thing is that there is a strong similarity between this war and Vietnam in that policy makers, poor planning and no real exit stratagy can really make this into a mess and get alot of people killed.
Please don't anyone think that I'm trying to knock what our troops have done, and what they are doing now. I just wish they weren't there and can't see the reasoning for this war. I am aware of both WTC attacks and completely unaware of any connection that has been made between them and Iraq. We didn't know our enemy when we went in and were met by a surprisingly light resistance. We then proceeded in a very lightly protected supply line that could have been a disaster. Now the enemy is feeling out our weaknesses and escalating ever more successful attacks while we are forcing our soldiers into undetermined tours of duty. Does anyone feel a draft in here?
This is the largest force of reservists ever used in a war, and having been one I know these people in general are the least trained of all the services for war. They also tend to be under supplied and get second rate equipment. At times reservists get treated like second rate soldiers due to rivalry or jealousy from the enlisted. I hope by now they are all working together as one.
I guess I must catch different news than some of you because a day doesn't go by that someone isn't getting blown away by bombs in trucks and humvees lacking body armor or undercarriage armor, and the damage is escalating. Not everyone in Iraq is in harms way, many people stay on fairly secure bases and aren't in too much danger and yet we have almost a 1 in 15 casualty rate which mean that some soldiers out there are looking at probably a 1 in 5 chance of getting killed or injured going off current stats. This is not a success story.
Kerry and many others voted down a spending bill bloated with pork and tax cut give aways to the rich, 87 billion of which something like 1/3 of 1% was for armor, Try google searches, there is some fascinating stuff out there.
Majorecho, record debt, out sourced jobs, fuel prices doubled and a war with a country with no known ties to those that attacked us with estimates of 15,000 civilians killed and 1,000+ U.S dead. Can I assume you're taking some responsibilty for this?
I hope every one will get out and vote, try and spend a couple of evenings surfing the net and finding out facts for yourselves and not spend to much time watching political slogans and attack ads. Support who we get but think for yourselves.

 

Mystereid- I am aware of the impact that scandals in big business have had on our economy , a huge pop in the dotcoms and the accompanying stock market collapse and not to mention the largest attrack on US soil and loss of civilian life in our history - you fail to realize that we are a nation at WAR and things are not as they used to be nor will they ever be. We have liberate approx 50 million people and elections have already been held in Afghanastan, liberating peoplea and giving them the chance to determine their own destiny is the bigger picture here, it is how they will help us win this war on terrorisim. I am not a fan of all the decisions that this adminisrtation has made but I do know one thing, unless this war on terror is won decisively than our children and theirs will be fighting it for years to come and the streets of our cities will be the battle grounds.( we don't need to have a situation like Israel ) Kerry is weak on defense and always has been, he is consistently on the wrong side of history when it comes to our nations defense systems and strategies. He is gutless and our enemies know that. Bush has proven that he is a man of his word and will act and make tough decisions that is why he will get my vote. The economy will only be secure when our nation is.

BTW What was our exit strategy when we entered WWII?

Do you really think that all aspects of a war our controllable? That is very naive and all Kerry is doing is politicising this terrible ordeal and exploiting our national security for his own end agenda. This is endangering our service men and wormen and is treason in my opinion.

I have two family members that have already returned from duty in Iraq and the picture they paint is a far cry from what kerry and the 6 o'clock news would have you believe. There are so many positive things happening there that are not reported because of media bias it is sickening. If you want to vote for the most liberal US senator and a man who never met a tax hike he wouldn't vote on then go ahead and cast your ballot for your man , Bush didn't creat the environment that fostered all corporate scandals , the Dotcom collapse or sept 11 , but the world did hear from us as Bush said they would back when he stood on that pile of rubble that was once the trade towers. He did give us ALL a Tax break to help stimulate the economy and
lessen the impact of the economic devastation of Sept 11, Kerry will raise your taxes regardless of what he has told the country, It will start with rolling back the Bush tax cuts, if you are paying too little in taxes than raise your hand and go punch your ballot, he has no issues with telling people what they want to hear if it advances his agenda. He is Kerry and he's your man!!