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12MANY 05-11-2006 01:24 PM

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The pricing for the 2007 Renegade 800 is here.

http://www.can-am.brp.com/en-US/Vehi...ade/Models.htm

$9299.00 US

choosetolose04 05-11-2006 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by: 12MANY
The pricing for the 2007 Renegade 800 is here.

http://www.can-am.brp.com/en-US/Vehi...ade/Models.htm

$9299.00 US

They have to be out of their mind. $9200, [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img].

JMann2380 05-11-2006 01:46 PM

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Man, that is alot of coin, I bought my DS for $5300, got a good deal as a leftover but that is almost double [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img] .

BAJAXPIMPN 05-11-2006 02:09 PM

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That's toooooo much. I want one but not at that price!

JSsDS 05-11-2006 04:35 PM

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They must be pricing it by the pound!!

squeege 05-11-2006 04:37 PM

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is that canada's price...I hope that's not U.S.

Daranello75 05-11-2006 06:06 PM

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Outlander Max LTD $15,799 Canadian ouch!!

twentycharacters 05-11-2006 06:15 PM

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hope that is a typo: $9200 for that? no thanks. are they trying to price themselves out of the market and at the same time NOT giving any attention to the sport crowd?

CAN-AM?? Remember PAN-AM, the airliner than literally crashed? they went under. Poor choice of name for a company. They are a sinking ship. if they dont start making gains in atv marketshare, kiss them goodbye within 5yrs.
their snowmobiles will still be around but....

cc1999 05-11-2006 06:18 PM

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9299.00 I missed it by a 100.00, I was thinking 9399.00. With all the upgraded components like the performance shocks, dual front disc brakes instead of single disc, holeshot tires, quad lights and custom rims all for 700.00 bucks. I don't see what all the griping is about. The base Outy at 8599.00 plus a nice set of rims and tires will set ya back almost that much.

cc1999 05-11-2006 06:58 PM

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I need to make a correction here I just noticed the new std Outy 800 is now 8749.00 . So there is only 550.00 differnce in the Base Outy and the Renegade. I think there is allot to offer there on the Renegad for only a 550.00 differnce. I do still think they are high but I think they are all high. With materials labor and helth care cost are these days I think we will probably see more price hikes from the other MFG later this year as they roll out there new models.

OneFlyCowboy 05-11-2006 07:13 PM

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Thats a ridiculous amount of cash.. I have a feeling there is a couple reasons they are makin the highpower ones so spendy.. Someone is less likely to be a total retard and buy one for their first quad for 1.. for 2 when you spend nearly 10 grand on a toy your gonna be in a differnt class of more responsible toy owners thus helping to slide away from potential liability.. Its smart on one hand for them to price the machines as such.. although i think they should make the parts CHEAP to repair them and have some sorta service kickback or sompin with them.. Like your first 500 hours maintan free or sompin if you choose.. or you can get that as a rebate of 1k or sompin.

BioWare 05-11-2006 07:30 PM

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That is so craz.....sorry i fainted. That is nuts. I guess I'll sell my house.

Daranello75 05-11-2006 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by: BioWare
That is so craz.....sorry i fainted. That is nuts. I guess I'll sell my house.
You'll have to sell you car also to afford the Outlander 800 MAX LTD $11,599

Outlander Max 800 H.O. EFI Ltd

LawdogB2 05-11-2006 11:54 PM

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Ouch! I can't get my head around it. When I was looking, the nearest BRP dealer told me he wouldn't budge off of MSRP. Absolute deal breaker. Took the BRP out of the running. He said that he didn't have to because "these things sell themselves". I hope that his kids don't need braces. I also wonder how long Can-Am will make it with these prices. They are making some awesome machines and could rule the world if they made it so a working man could afford one.

LTZ 05-12-2006 12:54 AM

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They should only make 10 of them, and that might be too many. At that price they should be real easy to find though, just look for the real dusty quads sitting on every Can-Am dealers showroom floor.

EasyQuader 05-12-2006 01:54 AM

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This will not be a quad for everybody. This beast is the one at the top of the pile. The best always costs more. This one will be ready to do it all out of the box. If you want a good deal there are other quads out there for that. If you want a quad that will do what this one will do add up what it will cost to mod one out to this level before you think $9300 is to much.

squeege 05-12-2006 10:18 AM

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$9300 seem like it is getting in the left nut territory

This is a quad that is going to drop in value real quick...It's not a "Harley Davidson" that people would "give a left nut for" just my thought

garyc660R 05-12-2006 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by: EasyQuader
This will not be a quad for everybody. This beast is the one at the top of the pile. The best always costs more. This one will be ready to do it all out of the box. If you want a good deal there are other quads out there for that. If you want a quad that will do what this one will do add up what it will cost to mod one out to this level before you think $9300 is to much.
From a business perspective the one at the top of the heap is the one that makes the most coin for the company. $9,300 takes you out of the market...I don't care how nice or what options it has. Reminds me of Cannondale.....we all know what happenned there.

garyc660R 05-12-2006 10:35 AM

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Gentlemen, be careful in getting to Can am's web site. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]. Another reason Can-am was a horrible choice of names. Maybe....well....

Sep1 05-12-2006 10:57 AM

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cc1999,
I agree with you 500.00 is not a huge difference. When you consider the upgrated shocks alone. Don't know what you mean by the duel front disks in front, my Outty 800 also has them.
Also I have a question to anyone that can answer. I'm going to upgrade the ugly stock wheels, I'm looking at the Maxxis 4X4 wheel I can get them for $48.00 a rim, which I think is a good deal. Question is I know the Outty off-set is 4 +3, but maxxis lists the off-set as +15. What the heck does that equate to?

Daranello75 05-12-2006 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by: garyc660R
Gentlemen, be careful in getting to Can am's web site. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]. Another reason Can-am was a horrible choice of names. Maybe....well....
I'd be carfull posting that! I got kicked for a week posting that link, trust me edit it out or you'll get a vacation!

cc1999 05-12-2006 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by: EasyQuader
This will not be a quad for everybody. This beast is the one at the top of the pile. The best always costs more. This one will be ready to do it all out of the box. If you want a good deal there are other quads out there for that. If you want a quad that will do what this one will do add up what it will cost to mod one out to this level before you think $9300 is to much.
Finaly someone that sees the big picture here, I agree completly with what you are saying, I have been saying that same thing for the past year about the Outy 800. I have made other quads that can perform at the level of the BRP 800 machines and it has cost more than the BRP cost every time. If you realy buget, and dig in hard to find a great deal on say a Kawi you can buy shocks and CDI's and pipes and wheels and tires and get close to the level of the Outy 800, but it still not EFI , and missing a few other features, but in general can perform on the track pretty well. But the new Renegade is a race ready ute, that you won't have a pile of cheap OEM part laying around the garage right after buying it, also fokes forget to figure in the labor to mod out another make, sure allot of fokes do the work them selves but it still labor rather yours or some bike shops, and most fokes don't have the proper equipment to set them up right so they end up paying to have them dialed back in to get the most out of there mods. For the performance nut the Renegade is an off the rack performer, that will rival most heavily modded copeditors.

For those that don't think they will sell, just look at the price of a seadoo or a yamaha wave runner and ask the question, if they can get 10-14k out of a very seasonal type machine (good for maybe 3 months out of the year in most areas) like that then why would they not be able to get 8-12k for the top performing quads on the market, that are good for year around recreation in most parts of the country.

I don't like the high prices either, but I do know what it take to make other models perform at this level and it is more than fair price for what you are getting IMO. I also beleive that by the end of next year there will be dealers willing to deal on them just like right now if you shop and are will drive to get it, I know there are dealer taking 500-800 dollars of the prices of the 06' 800's making the standard model price out in the upper 7k range. So I don't think the new 2007 models will be any different next year. I am sure though the first few months the Renegade is out that sticker will likely be the price if not a little extra just like the first Outy 800's were last summer.


squeege 05-12-2006 11:15 AM

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At least you get some kind of security system for spen'n close to $10,000....

Mdog 05-12-2006 11:38 AM

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Myself and two friends are planning to get the Renegade, sure it's expensive but the best usually is. Like cc1999 basically says your getting what you pay for with those higher performance parts. We race GNCC's and see what people really spend, IMO it's a bargain for GNCC UTE racers.

cc1999 05-12-2006 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by: Sep1
cc1999,
I agree with you 500.00 is not a huge difference. When you consider the upgrated shocks alone. Don't know what you mean by the duel front disks in front, my Outty 800 also has them.
Also I have a question to anyone that can answer. I'm going to upgrade the ugly stock wheels, I'm looking at the Maxxis 4X4 wheel I can get them for $48.00 a rim, which I think is a good deal. Question is I know the Outty off-set is 4 +3, but maxxis lists the off-set as +15. What the heck does that equate to?

You are right about the brakes there are two inboad mounted disc on the front, I had it pictured in my mind that there was only one on the front just like the back but not turned sideways. There are two up in there, my bad. They just moved them out to the hubs on the Renegade rather than inboard monted like the outy. Sorry for the error , good catch Sep 1

squeege 05-12-2006 12:51 PM

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yeah sign me up for one, but right after I finish paying off the $5400 mountain bike frame off ebay" Nicolai DH Downhill Freeride Mountain Bike MTB Frame" [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

cgi.ebay.com/Nicolai-DH-Downhill-Freeride-Mountain-Bike-MTB-Frame_W0QQitemZ7239517675QQcategoryZ98083QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

I'm kidding: I don't race but anyone wanna sponser me send a PM [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

44MAG 05-12-2006 01:17 PM

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Every one said the same thing about the Outlander 800 when it came out. “how are they going to get that much for a quad” “that thing is way to expensive to sell” now we see a lot of them in use so some one is willing to pay it. The Renegade will sell you wait and see. As soon as so and so gets one his or her buddy’s will have to have one and out the door they will go.

12MANY 05-12-2006 03:22 PM

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Is it just my imagination, or is most of the "whining and crying" over the price coming from non-Bombardier owning people. If you want to be the first kid on the block, step up to the plate. And if you can't play with the BIG DOGS, get back on the porch with the woman folk.


squeege 05-12-2006 03:29 PM

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I like Bombardier and may own one soon cause yamaha hasn't hit my tastebuds lately......but come-on $10,000 GTFO of here

"Guess I can't bash prices of Bombardier till I shell out the money and buy one"

OneFlyCowboy 05-12-2006 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by: 12MANY
Is it just my imagination, or is most of the "whining and crying" over the price coming from non-Bombardier owning people. If you want to be the first kid on the block, step up to the plate. And if you can't play with the BIG DOGS, get back on the porch with the woman folk.
LMAO [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

I think the high price weeds out allotta irresponsible Riders and thus lowers the liability exposure for the company so they can provide a more leading edge product.. I could be wrong though.. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

motox26 05-12-2006 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by: 44MAG
Every one said the same thing about the Outlander 800 when it came out. “how are they going to get that much for a quad” “that thing is way to expensive to sell” now we see a lot of them in use so some one is willing to pay it. The Renegade will sell you wait and see. As soon as so and so gets one his or her buddy’s will have to have one and out the door they will go.
Wrong! Companies don't make there money from these high priced "flagship" models. You may see 1 or 2 of them here and there, but the only reason you notice them is because they are different. You forget to mention the THOUSANDS of other "smaller" quads that you see out on the trail or dune or whatever. Heck, Honda makes most of it's money off of a XR50 and Rancher![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

Sport or Ute, the only reason you think these High Priced quads are selling, is because you notice them more because they are different. Next time take a look at how many mid-size quads you see.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

The only thing a flagship model does from a business standpoint is say "Hey look at my brand, look what we can build". And the idea behind that is to get customers into the door to buy reasonable priced quads. But you got to have up to date reasonable priced quads first![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

xFreebirdx 05-12-2006 04:27 PM

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Still cheaper than a muscle sled.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

cc1999 05-12-2006 04:45 PM

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I checked some of the prices with the other brands and broke down there price matrix to a dollar per cc level based on the way they price there top models vs the next to the top models, like 660 grizz vs 450 kodiac 750 brute vs 650 brute IRS models, and the KQvs the vinson. I discoverd that both yamaha and suzuki get about 4.5 per cc to move up to the top model from the next to top model and Kawi was 5.00 per cc to move up. So if they offered an 800 then there prices should look something like this with a 250.00 bump for the brands not currently offering EFI to inc, EFI on there 800 models
SUK = 8199.00
Kawi=8099.00
Yamaha=8099.00
all base model prices.
Polaris works out to be the worst, the dif between there 760 and there 680 works out to 9.00 per cc so if they had a real 800 it would sticker for 8999.00. based of the 2006 prices so are all the other prices I just listed so keep that in mind that the other companies have not anounced there 2007 prices, I would expect to see increase from most of them since both rawmaterial and labor overhead has been on a significant upward swing now for 2 years in a row. I just don't see the others not passing on that cost in 2007. So if you break it down Polaris is charging just as much or more for what you are getting. based on the sticker prices that so many seem to be shocked about.

Just a little more food for thought here. Compare these prices to the 2006 standard Outlander list price @ $8599.00

44MAG 05-12-2006 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by: motox26

Originally posted by: 44MAG
Every one said the same thing about the Outlander 800 when it came out. “how are they going to get that much for a quad” “that thing is way to expensive to sell” now we see a lot of them in use so some one is willing to pay it. The Renegade will sell you wait and see. As soon as so and so gets one his or her buddy’s will have to have one and out the door they will go.
Wrong! Companies don't make there money from these high priced "flagship" models. You may see 1 or 2 of them here and there, but the only reason you notice them is because they are different. You forget to mention the THOUSANDS of other "smaller" quads that you see out on the trail or dune or whatever. Heck, Honda makes most of it's money off of a XR50 and Rancher![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

Sport or Ute, the only reason you think these High Priced quads are selling, is because you notice them more because they are different. Next time take a look at how many mid-size quads you see.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

The only thing a flagship model does from a business standpoint is say "Hey look at my brand, look what we can build". And the idea behind that is to get customers into the door to buy reasonable priced quads. But you got to have up to date reasonable priced quads first![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

I agree with you 100%. The bulk of the outlanders out there are the 400’s but with most of the previous comments you would think that they won’t sell one. I bet they won’t have a problem finding buyers for the Renegade when it hits the floor.

By the way I did not mention any thing about money making in my previous post.


motox26 05-12-2006 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by: 44MAG I bet they won’t have a problem finding buyers for the Renegade when it hits the floor.
I could be wrong, but I'd bet they will.


That's like when I was looking at a YFZ450 when they first came out. Two dealers told me that I better sign up now because you won't be able to get one for at least 6 months because we're only getting so many. Well they did only get so many, and after about 2-3 months they were still sitting on the floor with a price reduction. I've see that with every quad since, and usually some will become a left over the next year.

Now take in consideration that the YFZ was only in the high 6k's compared to the low 9k's, that Renegade is going to sit there for a while in theory. Lets a say a dealer recieves 3 units in the first few months of it's sales release date, I'd be willing to bet that only 1, maaaybe 2 at a few dealers will be sold just from people with to much money. Then that extra 1 or 2 units will sit and collect dust.


They say they are for the "enthuasists", which they are, but the majority of enthuasists can't or maybe even won't afford it. All I do is ride ATV's and Bikes, and I couldn't justify buying a 9k quad, I'd rather buy 2 or 3 other ones.


And we won't even go into the poor resale value that it will have....

cc1999 05-12-2006 05:32 PM

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keep in mind there is allot of competion for the YFZ to contend with in its market segment, there is a whole lot of fokes that mod the heck out of there big ute 4x4's out there trying to make something like this Renegade out of there big bore utes. There is realy no competition for the Renegade right now, I think they will sell pretty well, at least till Kawi or someone tryes to give them some competition.

OneFlyCowboy 05-12-2006 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by: motox26

Originally posted by: 44MAG I bet they won’t have a problem finding buyers for the Renegade when it hits the floor.
I could be wrong, but I'd bet they will..
Your wrong Dumass.. DOH.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img] i mean Moto.. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

I know of two that will find homes shortly after release [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

motox26 05-12-2006 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by: cc1999
keep in mind there is allot of competion for the YFZ to contend with in its market segment, there is a whole lot of fokes that mod the heck out of there big ute 4x4's out there trying to make something like this Renegade out of there big bore utes. There is realy no competition for the Renegade right now, I think they will sell pretty well, at least till Kawi or someone tryes to give them some competition.
This is true, but there is many other variables. Typically the Jap brands sell more, and if they have left overs.......

While it is a GREAT nitch filling quad, how many of the people who like the high powered 4x4's already have to much invested in there current machine? And what is parts going to cost on this thing? How much dealer support will there be?


I really believe we NEED a company to step up and fill in for nitch quads, like KTM does for bikes, but they have to be priced within reason. Just wait a few seasons and we'll see what it does.

OneFlyCowboy 05-12-2006 05:51 PM

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Moto.. you have a clouded view of the sickness.
Money does not matter to people with the sickness.

You know them type of motorcycle people who get the new model bike every year. they loose there ass each year on the new bike.

motox26 05-12-2006 05:59 PM

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I understand what you mean by "the sickness", and yes there are plenty out there. But they call it nitch filling for a reason, the market isn't nearly as big for that particular class. That's why the class needs incentive, like a reasonable price tag.

There is quite a few, but not great profit making #'s of people out there with the sickness wanting a big bore sporty 4x4's. I think this quad should have been released, but not now. After they have established themselves with some good sellers in the sport class, then pull the trigger on the big Bomb.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]


Again, we'll just have to wait and see.


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