Can-Am, RIPS OFF CUSTOMERS, Pay 36% ($2,500) more for being Canadian
#61
Mattinthehat, let me know when you are going down - maybe I'll come with you! (I have a trailer big enough for TWO Outlanders.
#62
Sounds great. I will let you know. what is your timeframe? were you thinking soon next 2 weeks? or later?
the logistics key is going to be getting the VIN numbers of the vehicles in advance. you need to give US customs the VIN 72 hours prior to bringing them into canada so they can search the VIN and confirm the title. (not stolen essentially) So I need to get the dealer to co-operate with me in advance. Also the dealer that has the good price already told me they don't have a huge selection, so they have to order them in advance of the purchase. Dealer told me they can absolutly get anything in 2 weeks notice.
So now I need to convince the dealer to sell to me.. leave a deposit, have him order it, then have him give me the VIN of my bike 3 business days before I go to pick it up so that I have no problems at the border.
I am planning on getting the Outlander MAX 650XT YELLOW.
Which one are you thinking of getting?
is yer trailer long enough to fit a MAX? not all ATV trailers can handle the additional lenght of the max's
the logistics key is going to be getting the VIN numbers of the vehicles in advance. you need to give US customs the VIN 72 hours prior to bringing them into canada so they can search the VIN and confirm the title. (not stolen essentially) So I need to get the dealer to co-operate with me in advance. Also the dealer that has the good price already told me they don't have a huge selection, so they have to order them in advance of the purchase. Dealer told me they can absolutly get anything in 2 weeks notice.
So now I need to convince the dealer to sell to me.. leave a deposit, have him order it, then have him give me the VIN of my bike 3 business days before I go to pick it up so that I have no problems at the border.
I am planning on getting the Outlander MAX 650XT YELLOW.
Which one are you thinking of getting?
is yer trailer long enough to fit a MAX? not all ATV trailers can handle the additional lenght of the max's
#63
As some of you may or may not know, Bombardier is in the process of shifting all of their ATV production to Mexico. The reason I bring this up, is I work for a Machine Tool Manufacturer that builds machines in the US and ships into Canada. Their is a significant amount of additional money that the Canadian Government charges for customs on imported goods....which the Can-Am ATV would now be considered. The fee covers a rather drawn-out certification process that approves the equipment for safe for operation in Canada. It doesn't matter whether you ship 100 identical units, they all get socked with the same fee. I guess I just wonder if Bombardier could be getting these same charges when it brings the finished product in from Mexico? Also, there is more freight cost from Mexico too. Maybe they bury that extra freight cost in the product cost as to not raise eyebrows amongst the Canadian population on why freight would be more in Ontario than Arizona.
With all that being said, Shame on the Canadian government for tacking on these fees thinking they are protecting their citizens when all they are doing is hurting their businesses.
Shame on Bombardier for not adjusting their price accordingly and penalizing some of their most loyal customers.
Shame on me for making assumptions and drawing conclusions when I'm not sure if any of the above is the case here. I just wanted to provide some insight that may (or may not) explain some things.
NOW GO GET THE BEST DEAL YOU CAN!
#64
Yup... good points, However I don;t believe Mexico plant has yet begun production to my knowledge. I can't find any info on it but the original press release that BRP issued last august indicated they start production in mexico Q4 2007 ( this year. ) So even all of what you say is true. it's not true yet. All the current models were produced right here in canada. 2008 models will likely be the first to run off the line in mexico
#65
Don't worry, Mat - my trailer can handle TWO Maxes, but I'm looking for something smaller for my wife - perhaps the Rally 200, which lists at $2349U.S. - Do you know what you could get it for, and how much the extra (duty and the like)? And how much for your 650 Outy Max?
(I myself have the 400 Outy Maxt XT)
(I myself have the 400 Outy Maxt XT)
#66
Originally posted by: beetlejuicewhome
The reason why the canadians pay more is because it costs more to ship from mexico to canada than it does to ship from mexico to the United States
The reason why the canadians pay more is because it costs more to ship from mexico to canada than it does to ship from mexico to the United States
#67
Originally posted by: Mattinthehat
I called the border and have everythign ready paper wise. I know I need to give US customs 72 hours notice and that is fine, and I know what taxes and duties need to be paid, and I know I will need to pay the $300 to get the unit inspected in canada once I bring it here, but there is one thing that got me hung up.I'm sorry I don't mean to ask you to repeat yourself, but I think there is a piece of the puzzel missing. or perhaps I just didn;t understand yer postI just called the dealer in Ohio to order mine so it would be ready when I went down. He outright refused to sell it to me without proof of US residency. How did you get around that when you bought yours?I have a friend who lives in ohio, I'm considering using him to help me buy it but I'm not sure what approach to take. any addidional help you can offer would be much appreciated. I'm curious to know what you did. I'm ready to buy my outlander today.... but they won't sell it to me [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] and the deal I found is almost $4500 cheaper than the canadian MSRP. meaning instead of financing 10Grand of the 15k purchase price I only have to finance 5.5grand.. thats 1/2 the payment so it means a difference of being able to buy and not being able to buy.
I called the border and have everythign ready paper wise. I know I need to give US customs 72 hours notice and that is fine, and I know what taxes and duties need to be paid, and I know I will need to pay the $300 to get the unit inspected in canada once I bring it here, but there is one thing that got me hung up.I'm sorry I don't mean to ask you to repeat yourself, but I think there is a piece of the puzzel missing. or perhaps I just didn;t understand yer postI just called the dealer in Ohio to order mine so it would be ready when I went down. He outright refused to sell it to me without proof of US residency. How did you get around that when you bought yours?I have a friend who lives in ohio, I'm considering using him to help me buy it but I'm not sure what approach to take. any addidional help you can offer would be much appreciated. I'm curious to know what you did. I'm ready to buy my outlander today.... but they won't sell it to me [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] and the deal I found is almost $4500 cheaper than the canadian MSRP. meaning instead of financing 10Grand of the 15k purchase price I only have to finance 5.5grand.. thats 1/2 the payment so it means a difference of being able to buy and not being able to buy.
2nd you only pay your normal PST and GST tax, same as you would pay if you bought here
NO DUTIES- on any ATV's
and yes there is a $200 border fee.....
How do I know, I do it ALL the time....your only at the border for 10-20minutes its SO EASY
#68
Originally posted by: FLOWJET
As some of you may or may not know, Bombardier is in the process of shifting all of their ATV production to Mexico. The reason I bring this up, is I work for a Machine Tool Manufacturer that builds machines in the US and ships into Canada. Their is a significant amount of additional money that the Canadian Government charges for customs on imported goods....which the Can-Am ATV would now be considered. The fee covers a rather drawn-out certification process that approves the equipment for safe for operation in Canada. It doesn't matter whether you ship 100 identical units, they all get socked with the same fee. I guess I just wonder if Bombardier could be getting these same charges when it brings the finished product in from Mexico? Also, there is more freight cost from Mexico too. Maybe they bury that extra freight cost in the product cost as to not raise eyebrows amongst the Canadian population on why freight would be more in Ontario than Arizona. With all that being said, Shame on the Canadian government for tacking on these fees thinking they are protecting their citizens when all they are doing is hurting their businesses. Shame on Bombardier for not adjusting their price accordingly and penalizing some of their most loyal customers.Shame on me for making assumptions and drawing conclusions when I'm not sure if any of the above is the case here. I just wanted to provide some insight that may (or may not) explain some things.NOW GO GET THE BEST DEAL YOU CAN!
As some of you may or may not know, Bombardier is in the process of shifting all of their ATV production to Mexico. The reason I bring this up, is I work for a Machine Tool Manufacturer that builds machines in the US and ships into Canada. Their is a significant amount of additional money that the Canadian Government charges for customs on imported goods....which the Can-Am ATV would now be considered. The fee covers a rather drawn-out certification process that approves the equipment for safe for operation in Canada. It doesn't matter whether you ship 100 identical units, they all get socked with the same fee. I guess I just wonder if Bombardier could be getting these same charges when it brings the finished product in from Mexico? Also, there is more freight cost from Mexico too. Maybe they bury that extra freight cost in the product cost as to not raise eyebrows amongst the Canadian population on why freight would be more in Ontario than Arizona. With all that being said, Shame on the Canadian government for tacking on these fees thinking they are protecting their citizens when all they are doing is hurting their businesses. Shame on Bombardier for not adjusting their price accordingly and penalizing some of their most loyal customers.Shame on me for making assumptions and drawing conclusions when I'm not sure if any of the above is the case here. I just wanted to provide some insight that may (or may not) explain some things.NOW GO GET THE BEST DEAL YOU CAN!
#69
Originally posted by: check
Don't worry, Mat - my trailer can handle TWO Maxes, but I'm looking for something smaller for my wife - perhaps the Rally 200, which lists at $2349U.S. - Do you know what you could get it for, and how much the extra (duty and the like)? And how much for your 650 Outy Max?(I myself have the 400 Outy Maxt XT)
Don't worry, Mat - my trailer can handle TWO Maxes, but I'm looking for something smaller for my wife - perhaps the Rally 200, which lists at $2349U.S. - Do you know what you could get it for, and how much the extra (duty and the like)? And how much for your 650 Outy Max?(I myself have the 400 Outy Maxt XT)
#70
Again, its call FREE TRADE, there is NO, NADA, NOTING, customs charges or Duty on ANY ATV, or Snowmobile imported into Canada from the USA, doesn't matter weather its new or used.......
You are naive if you think that the Canadian Government doesn't see a dime for any product it imports from a free-trade country. Japan does it as well. The United States has added it to lumber and Swine it recevied from Canada. There are many attempts to charge fees that don't fall under the definition of a tariff or duty. While this may not be the case here (I don't know), you do have to pay a fee in many instances. On a $200,000 piece of equipment, our company pays about $3800 in fees. Much of these are Canadian Standards Association (CSA) inspection fees. The CSA is like Underwriter's Laboratories (UL) in the US. Only difference is UL certifies an item once, but the CSA seems to want to certify identical items each and everytime they cross the border.
Just importing a car from the US into Canada cost $210 dollars to enter it into the Canadian RIV system, plus a $100 excise fee if it has air conditioning, plus additional if it weighs more than 4425 lbs., a gas guzzler tax if it gets less than 22.5mpg, plus a flat 7%. Within 45 days you have to pay an additonal $75 fee to get it inspected for approval by Canadian Standards, and pay your money for daytime running lights and metric stickers. After the vehicle meets it's federal inspection, you then have the privelage of paying the provincial taxes (never mind it wasn't BOUGHT there), an additonal Provincial "drive" inspection (and corresponding fee) and then finally any licensing fees.
Free trade is great! Point being here, there are no tariffs or duties involved, but that doesn't mean it's "free" neither.


