hey whats better itp 589 m/t's or outlaws. im pretty sure im gunna get the itps when i have enough money. i heard that outlaws are really rough on hard pack. does anyone have a favorite and if anyone has expirience with both would be nice to compare. i would also be curious to know if vamps would beat them because they look fairly aggressive.

 

i like mud muchines they are more agresive then outlaws but have a very smooth ride

 

For true deep mud riding you cant beat the outlaw. For great all round performance the 589's ,mudbugs,gators,mudlites are perfect. The vamps and the mudzilla are in the same league as the outlaw for mud riding. The downside to these tires is a rough ride. The outlaw radial is supposed to have a nice ride along with great mud performance but I dont know anyone that owns them.

 

for the mud machines do u mean the 27 inch magnums or just the ordinary 25 inchers.
my friend just bought vampires and he didnt even notice the difference between the vamps and his stock tires in roughness. he really likes his vamps. but i guess it would probobly change when u put them on a different quad. we cant even get outlaws in canada so im not gunna get those.i think im just gunna get vamps.

 

does anyone know how big i can go with vamps without a lift.i have a foreman 450es. 25x10x12 on rear and 25x8x12 on the front.