Rhino Rollover
Aug 5, 2006 | 10:07 PM
#51
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Rhino Rollover
Originally posted by: Bk9360
that it should NOT roll over. At a very slow speed while driving very much within the capabilities of the vehicle. .
that it should NOT roll over. At a very slow speed while driving very much within the capabilities of the vehicle. .
I know it sucks & you dont want to feel responsible for your friends injuries, but you are. Suck it up & be a good person, take responsidility for YOUR actions.
People like you are the reason the rest of us pay so much for our machines. Costs a lot of money to pay the lawyers for protecting the manufacture from frivolous lawsuits, that cost gets transferred to your neighbor & myself because you refused to be a DECENT person.
I'm sorry the person got hurt but an honest person would never do such a horrible thing as you, there's a special place in Satan's ***-crack for folks that do. Your retaliating against a company that has done NOTHING wrong to you, sleep well.
Aug 6, 2006 | 01:17 AM
#52
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Rhino Rollover
Originally posted by: prowrench
Oxymoron, that's what your excuse is, Look it up. If you were driving within it's capabilities it would not have happened. PERIOD.
I know it sucks & you dont want to feel responsible for your friends injuries, but you are. Suck it up & be a good person, take responsidility for YOUR actions.
People like you are the reason the rest of us pay so much for our machines. Costs a lot of money to pay the lawyers for protecting the manufacture from frivolous lawsuits, that cost gets transferred to your neighbor & myself because you refused to be a DECENT person.
I'm sorry the person got hurt but an honest person would never do such a horrible thing as you, there's a special place in Satan's ***-crack for folks that do. Your retaliating against a company that has done NOTHING wrong to you, sleep well.
Originally posted by: Bk9360
that it should NOT roll over. At a very slow speed while driving very much within the capabilities of the vehicle. .
that it should NOT roll over. At a very slow speed while driving very much within the capabilities of the vehicle. .
I know it sucks & you dont want to feel responsible for your friends injuries, but you are. Suck it up & be a good person, take responsidility for YOUR actions.
People like you are the reason the rest of us pay so much for our machines. Costs a lot of money to pay the lawyers for protecting the manufacture from frivolous lawsuits, that cost gets transferred to your neighbor & myself because you refused to be a DECENT person.
I'm sorry the person got hurt but an honest person would never do such a horrible thing as you, there's a special place in Satan's ***-crack for folks that do. Your retaliating against a company that has done NOTHING wrong to you, sleep well.
Sep 8, 2006 | 02:48 AM
#53
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Rhino Rollover
I feel sorry for the people on here who are obviously not getting the point.
You can argue as much as you want that if the rhinos weren't driven past thier capacity or pushed past thier limits then they would not roll or injure people. If you weren't so closed minded maybe you would realize that we were the one's in the rhinos, we were the ones who knew how fast we were going, how crazy or how uncrazy we were driving.
In my case, we werent even thinking or planning on driving it crazy in any way that night. We hopped in to go for a drive through the backyard (all flat land) we were driving at a pace of 20 miles an hour, no hills- no crazy turns- no tricks...nothing! That's what your not getting! I would hate for what happened to me to happen to anyone else on here or anyone you care about. It was straight hell for 6 months and it is still very hard. I am only 24 and now I can never show my foot in public again. I cant wear heels or flip flops. It hurts to walk- I can never run, jump, hike, etc....due to the extreme damage from the roll over. This may mean nothing to you but it has changed my life forever! I am not coming on here to argue but to educate...... I am a firm believer in taking full responsibilty for your actions that is why yamaha needs to step up and address this issue, fix the problem that they created.
The more you research this topic the more you will learn how big of a problem this actually is. I just hope you learn from the forums and not from personal experiance.
You can argue as much as you want that if the rhinos weren't driven past thier capacity or pushed past thier limits then they would not roll or injure people. If you weren't so closed minded maybe you would realize that we were the one's in the rhinos, we were the ones who knew how fast we were going, how crazy or how uncrazy we were driving.
In my case, we werent even thinking or planning on driving it crazy in any way that night. We hopped in to go for a drive through the backyard (all flat land) we were driving at a pace of 20 miles an hour, no hills- no crazy turns- no tricks...nothing! That's what your not getting! I would hate for what happened to me to happen to anyone else on here or anyone you care about. It was straight hell for 6 months and it is still very hard. I am only 24 and now I can never show my foot in public again. I cant wear heels or flip flops. It hurts to walk- I can never run, jump, hike, etc....due to the extreme damage from the roll over. This may mean nothing to you but it has changed my life forever! I am not coming on here to argue but to educate...... I am a firm believer in taking full responsibilty for your actions that is why yamaha needs to step up and address this issue, fix the problem that they created.
The more you research this topic the more you will learn how big of a problem this actually is. I just hope you learn from the forums and not from personal experiance.
Sep 8, 2006 | 04:12 AM
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I don't want to see anyone get hurt either, it sucks. But it's still your fault. Is it Yamaha's fault YOU CHOSE to stick your leg out? No. Are there products on the market to prevent this? Yes, YOU CHOSE not to buy them.
So if you were driving down the road in your car at 20 mph & someone hit you broadside just enough to get you to roll over, your instinct is to stick your leg out? Really? So if your Hyundai did not come with a door you would loose your leg then... wow...
That's a pretty wild impulse. If you see someone light fireworks, do you run like a scared cat? No? So you can control your impulses then. If your in Church & the person your sitting next to you cut's the cheese, you leap to your feet screaming "you stinking bastard" ?
You simply made a bad choice, acknowledge it, learn from it, move on with your life. Stop looking for a scapegoat.
So if you were driving down the road in your car at 20 mph & someone hit you broadside just enough to get you to roll over, your instinct is to stick your leg out? Really? So if your Hyundai did not come with a door you would loose your leg then... wow...
That's a pretty wild impulse. If you see someone light fireworks, do you run like a scared cat? No? So you can control your impulses then. If your in Church & the person your sitting next to you cut's the cheese, you leap to your feet screaming "you stinking bastard" ?
You simply made a bad choice, acknowledge it, learn from it, move on with your life. Stop looking for a scapegoat.
Sep 8, 2006 | 09:42 AM
#55
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I was on a video site like putfile or youtube and they were riding the hell out of the rhino....sliding sideways and all and it didn't even get up on two wheels( I can find it again if I have to)
.....I can't believe the thread started with a claim that the were just babying the rhino and it tipped over?
.....I can't believe the thread started with a claim that the were just babying the rhino and it tipped over?
Sep 8, 2006 | 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by: squeege
Another victim card......
Originally posted by: Bk9360
I just kind of stumpled on this site after googling "Rhino Rollovers" after reading that article in my local newspaper, so I apologize for busting into this conversation. I just wanted to put my two cents in on this subject.
I have been riding quads/three-wheelers since I was 7 (I am now 24) and I have been offroading since I was 18. I am not a stranger to the trail or sand. My sister got a 450 Rhino a little while ago. Me and a good friend of mine took it out on their property. They have 5 acres of very flat land. We go out to the back 2 1/2 acres, go to turn around and laid it over at a VERY low speed. The thing just went up on 2 wheels and even though I turned into the roll, it still just "plopped" over. No donuts, no jumping, no crazy driving. Evidently it just caught a bad rut and just laid over. The problem was, due to the lack of feet support, my friends leg (who was the passenger) got swept out of the Rhino. He did not step out of the Rhino out of reaction. He is also very familiar with offroad vehicles and he knew better. After his feet got swept out, they got pinned under the Rhino and the force shattered his foot. They didn't have to amputate but it was still extremely painful injury.
The kicker in all of this is, I was NOT driving crazy. No ifs ands or buts about it. People can say "you must have been driving crazy" or "it wont roll over if you aren't pushing it to its limits." I am here to say that I was driving no near its limit. I didn't even put my seat belt on because I was not going to be crazy. I was just cruising. Upon turning around, it just plopped over. That is the aspect that is so alarming to me. I cannot say "I was stupid" or "I just should have been more careful" and the problem would be fixed. Being crazy or stupid wasn't the problem. The problem is the lack of design to keep feet in the vehicle.
That is where I can fully understand the lawsuit. Not in the fact that it can rolled over. Its mere design should tell the driver and passenger that it is top heavy. However, the fact that there is nothing to keep your feet IN THE CART. Instinct will tell you to either jump out (bad idea) or go to the center of the Rhino (good idea). To get your upper body into the center of the Rhino when all the momentum on a slow speed roll over is pushig you out, you have to have something to push against with your feet (it's that whole "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" thing from high school science). The Rhino has nothing to push agaisnt and that fact is what swept my friends feet out of the vehicle and under the Rhino. Because of the situation, my sister and brother in law have since bought doors for the Rhino so that the same thing doesn't happen again. However, for the consumer to fix the design flaw can be pricey. If yamaha would just add a very inexpensive extra portion to the plastic to keep the feet in, all would be well. The scary aspect of this situation is, it does not fall within the realm "necessary expected danger." This is somethign that people not realize until they have read about, seen, or experience for themselves.
Sure there are inherint dangers in offroad vehicles, motorcycles, and all those other things people mentioned. However, design flaws are what need to be fixed. Lawyers are not going to sue jeep for the consumer taking the doors off. That is out of Jeeps control. However, it would be very easy for Yamaha to fix this design flaw. If the lawsuit does nothing more than inform Yamaha of their design flaw, then more power to them.
This, to me, is along the same lines as the Ford/Firestone Tire issue awhile ago when people where blowing tires and rolling their SUV. The answer is not "well they should not have been going 70 mph in the heat of the summer while driving a top heavy SUV." No, the answer is to ask the manufacturer to fix their flaw. People were operating the vehicle EXACTLY in the manner the vehicle was designed to be operated and due to a design flaw in the tire, people's safety were endangered.
Long post, busting in uninvited to a conversation, and taking an opposing viewpoint, I apologize for all counts. Might be nice to hear both sides of the story though. Just my 2 cents. All I ask is that you let the tar cool a bit before applying the feathers to me.
I just kind of stumpled on this site after googling "Rhino Rollovers" after reading that article in my local newspaper, so I apologize for busting into this conversation. I just wanted to put my two cents in on this subject.
I have been riding quads/three-wheelers since I was 7 (I am now 24) and I have been offroading since I was 18. I am not a stranger to the trail or sand. My sister got a 450 Rhino a little while ago. Me and a good friend of mine took it out on their property. They have 5 acres of very flat land. We go out to the back 2 1/2 acres, go to turn around and laid it over at a VERY low speed. The thing just went up on 2 wheels and even though I turned into the roll, it still just "plopped" over. No donuts, no jumping, no crazy driving. Evidently it just caught a bad rut and just laid over. The problem was, due to the lack of feet support, my friends leg (who was the passenger) got swept out of the Rhino. He did not step out of the Rhino out of reaction. He is also very familiar with offroad vehicles and he knew better. After his feet got swept out, they got pinned under the Rhino and the force shattered his foot. They didn't have to amputate but it was still extremely painful injury.
The kicker in all of this is, I was NOT driving crazy. No ifs ands or buts about it. People can say "you must have been driving crazy" or "it wont roll over if you aren't pushing it to its limits." I am here to say that I was driving no near its limit. I didn't even put my seat belt on because I was not going to be crazy. I was just cruising. Upon turning around, it just plopped over. That is the aspect that is so alarming to me. I cannot say "I was stupid" or "I just should have been more careful" and the problem would be fixed. Being crazy or stupid wasn't the problem. The problem is the lack of design to keep feet in the vehicle.
That is where I can fully understand the lawsuit. Not in the fact that it can rolled over. Its mere design should tell the driver and passenger that it is top heavy. However, the fact that there is nothing to keep your feet IN THE CART. Instinct will tell you to either jump out (bad idea) or go to the center of the Rhino (good idea). To get your upper body into the center of the Rhino when all the momentum on a slow speed roll over is pushig you out, you have to have something to push against with your feet (it's that whole "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" thing from high school science). The Rhino has nothing to push agaisnt and that fact is what swept my friends feet out of the vehicle and under the Rhino. Because of the situation, my sister and brother in law have since bought doors for the Rhino so that the same thing doesn't happen again. However, for the consumer to fix the design flaw can be pricey. If yamaha would just add a very inexpensive extra portion to the plastic to keep the feet in, all would be well. The scary aspect of this situation is, it does not fall within the realm "necessary expected danger." This is somethign that people not realize until they have read about, seen, or experience for themselves.
Sure there are inherint dangers in offroad vehicles, motorcycles, and all those other things people mentioned. However, design flaws are what need to be fixed. Lawyers are not going to sue jeep for the consumer taking the doors off. That is out of Jeeps control. However, it would be very easy for Yamaha to fix this design flaw. If the lawsuit does nothing more than inform Yamaha of their design flaw, then more power to them.
This, to me, is along the same lines as the Ford/Firestone Tire issue awhile ago when people where blowing tires and rolling their SUV. The answer is not "well they should not have been going 70 mph in the heat of the summer while driving a top heavy SUV." No, the answer is to ask the manufacturer to fix their flaw. People were operating the vehicle EXACTLY in the manner the vehicle was designed to be operated and due to a design flaw in the tire, people's safety were endangered.
Long post, busting in uninvited to a conversation, and taking an opposing viewpoint, I apologize for all counts. Might be nice to hear both sides of the story though. Just my 2 cents. All I ask is that you let the tar cool a bit before applying the feathers to me.
"The thing just went up on 2 wheels and even though I turned into the roll, it still just "plopped" over. No donuts, no jumping, no crazy driving. Evidently it just caught a bad rut and just laid over."
I think they are telling half truths....here is video of a Rhino being flogged
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz_c2QsaPs&NR
Sep 8, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Another thing...the kid never stated if he took a safty course
and he says no crazy driving, but says he The thing just went up on 2 wheels ?
Again here is video of a rhino being flogged and stays on 4 wheels
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz_c2QsaPs&NR
My buddy with the cammo kodiak 450 is prolly gonna buy a Rhino soon and he rolls over everything he drives...so the big boy needs to make a decision...should he put doors on it or not.....I vote yes for his sake but not everybody flips everything they own...so you decide!
and he says no crazy driving, but says he The thing just went up on 2 wheels ?
Again here is video of a rhino being flogged and stays on 4 wheels
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz_c2QsaPs&NR
My buddy with the cammo kodiak 450 is prolly gonna buy a Rhino soon and he rolls over everything he drives...so the big boy needs to make a decision...should he put doors on it or not.....I vote yes for his sake but not everybody flips everything they own...so you decide!
Sep 16, 2006 | 12:41 AM
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I just put a down on an 07 and will get some doors just for the heck of it, but looking at some of these videos, it is hard to imagine how they stay up....but they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIntlxznm7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI5xEmMNvmE
The thing looks more stable than my Honda Rubicon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIntlxznm7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI5xEmMNvmE
The thing looks more stable than my Honda Rubicon.
Sep 16, 2006 | 03:12 AM
#60
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O-Man, O-Man, O-Man! I hate this post! (budlite made me post this and I shouldn't have too)
I put a gun to my head but I missed so I'll get the gun maker! My son is 12 and I guess I'm trying to kill him because he drives the wheels off my Rhino. NOT!!!!!!!!!!! I grew up in a condo in New Orleans that didn't have a rail (or water at the time) around the roof but I didn't jump. By the way my 12 year old hasn't rolled the rhino either. I guess his atv needs training wheels too. He is 12 and knows this thing will hurt you bad, as well as sticking your hand in the garbagedisposall (why would they make his hand fit better then a plumber). I came off my 400ex and I'm not sending Honda the bill for my MRI because I got stupid! GROW UP AND TAKE BLAME FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS! I teach ATV classes and tell everyone this is an extreme sport. Do you get it or are you just stupid? I went to the Honda/Yamaha............ shop and asked about the side airbags on 1000cc death trap................. Do you get it yet? Come on!!!!!!! "The rhino DIDN"T look fun like so I got in it and drove like an ***!" I TOLD YOU I HATE THIS POST. No one said it better than Walton & Johnson "PUSSIFACATION OF AMERICA"!!!!!!!!
NOW MY TWO CENTS!!!!
I put a gun to my head but I missed so I'll get the gun maker! My son is 12 and I guess I'm trying to kill him because he drives the wheels off my Rhino. NOT!!!!!!!!!!! I grew up in a condo in New Orleans that didn't have a rail (or water at the time) around the roof but I didn't jump. By the way my 12 year old hasn't rolled the rhino either. I guess his atv needs training wheels too. He is 12 and knows this thing will hurt you bad, as well as sticking your hand in the garbagedisposall (why would they make his hand fit better then a plumber). I came off my 400ex and I'm not sending Honda the bill for my MRI because I got stupid! GROW UP AND TAKE BLAME FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS! I teach ATV classes and tell everyone this is an extreme sport. Do you get it or are you just stupid? I went to the Honda/Yamaha............ shop and asked about the side airbags on 1000cc death trap................. Do you get it yet? Come on!!!!!!! "The rhino DIDN"T look fun like so I got in it and drove like an ***!" I TOLD YOU I HATE THIS POST. No one said it better than Walton & Johnson "PUSSIFACATION OF AMERICA"!!!!!!!!
NOW MY TWO CENTS!!!!