What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
#11
03-02-2009, 07:02 PM
What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MooseHenden
SS97, do you actually think they are not going to ban or tax firearms, their components, or try to outright ban them?</end quote></div>
No they are not.....
Even if they wanted to the votes are not there. The last 3 major anti-gun pieces of legislation to congress have died before they got started. The anti-gun dopes just do not have the votes to get it done. They can try all they want but they DO NOT have enough votes in congress or the house.
If you want to make sure of it, contact your local reps and ask they where they stand on any specific piece of legislation and you will see...... Contrary to what most people think, the Democrats are not all anti-gun. In fact something like 60% of all voting Democrats in congress are not anti-gun at all....
And as I said, look at your state. That is where most of the laws come from, and that is where the anti-gun legislation will come from.
A ban on guns would mean a Constitutional amendment the likes of which we have never seen in history. And since just last year the 2nd amendment held up to the scrutiny of a 5-4 vote in DC, they won't be changing the 2dn amendment anytime soon.
They can tax ammo, but again, they won't get anything crazy passed like what they've done with tobacco. And the last time they tried it, the extra tax was shot down because of sporting and hunting. They decided that taxing small caliber ammo would hurt hunters and sportsmen too much..... If any tax goes through it will be on assault weapon ammo, and .50 caliber and above....
SS97, do you actually think they are not going to ban or tax firearms, their components, or try to outright ban them?</end quote></div>
No they are not.....
Even if they wanted to the votes are not there. The last 3 major anti-gun pieces of legislation to congress have died before they got started. The anti-gun dopes just do not have the votes to get it done. They can try all they want but they DO NOT have enough votes in congress or the house.
If you want to make sure of it, contact your local reps and ask they where they stand on any specific piece of legislation and you will see...... Contrary to what most people think, the Democrats are not all anti-gun. In fact something like 60% of all voting Democrats in congress are not anti-gun at all....
And as I said, look at your state. That is where most of the laws come from, and that is where the anti-gun legislation will come from.
A ban on guns would mean a Constitutional amendment the likes of which we have never seen in history. And since just last year the 2nd amendment held up to the scrutiny of a 5-4 vote in DC, they won't be changing the 2dn amendment anytime soon.
They can tax ammo, but again, they won't get anything crazy passed like what they've done with tobacco. And the last time they tried it, the extra tax was shot down because of sporting and hunting. They decided that taxing small caliber ammo would hurt hunters and sportsmen too much..... If any tax goes through it will be on assault weapon ammo, and .50 caliber and above....
#12
03-02-2009, 07:07 PM
What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Scooter86
ss97, check out the whitehouse.gov website. look under The Agenda, Urban Policy, Crime and Law Enforcement. They are looking to reinstate the '94 assault weapon ban, and repeal the tiahrt amendment. That info was up on the web before he even took the oath. There has been other legislation in the works as well, hard to tell just what may see the light of day as of yet though. I urge every one to not stand around with their "eyes wide shut."</end quote></div>
Well I said the assault weapon ban would be reinstated, no shocker there.....
As I said, it is great that people are now paying attention to the 2nd amendment, but I want to see people focused on the right areas. And those areas are NOT Obama and Biden, they are you local state reps. As I said the states hold the trump card on the feds and can flat out refuse to adopt any policy that conflicts with any current amendment. So know what your local guys are going to vote and forget about Obama, he's not the problem because no anti-gun legislation should even get to his desk...... If it does, it is because people voted in the wrong people in their local elections....
ss97, check out the whitehouse.gov website. look under The Agenda, Urban Policy, Crime and Law Enforcement. They are looking to reinstate the '94 assault weapon ban, and repeal the tiahrt amendment. That info was up on the web before he even took the oath. There has been other legislation in the works as well, hard to tell just what may see the light of day as of yet though. I urge every one to not stand around with their "eyes wide shut."</end quote></div>
Well I said the assault weapon ban would be reinstated, no shocker there.....
As I said, it is great that people are now paying attention to the 2nd amendment, but I want to see people focused on the right areas. And those areas are NOT Obama and Biden, they are you local state reps. As I said the states hold the trump card on the feds and can flat out refuse to adopt any policy that conflicts with any current amendment. So know what your local guys are going to vote and forget about Obama, he's not the problem because no anti-gun legislation should even get to his desk...... If it does, it is because people voted in the wrong people in their local elections....
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03-02-2009, 09:35 PM
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What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
Sorry ss97 but you are wrong. The Federal gun bans WILL be in force nationwide no matter what the individual state laws are! And believe me the OBAMANATION has plans to eventually take ALL your guns. Either by outright bans, or taxation to the point that you can't afford them. That is already in the works in the House with HR 25. It will require registration, fingerprinting and updated addresses if you move just to own a handgun, or semi-automatic rifle or shotgun with a detachable magazine. WELCOME TO THE UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA. This is just the beginning!!!!! (Of the end of the country as we know it)
#14
03-02-2009, 09:55 PM
What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ss97
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MooseHenden
SS97, do you actually think they are not going to ban or tax firearms, their components, or try to outright ban them?</end quote></div>
No they are not.....
Even if they wanted to the votes are not there. The last 3 major anti-gun pieces of legislation to congress have died before they got started. The anti-gun dopes just do not have the votes to get it done. They can try all they want but they DO NOT have enough votes in congress or the house.
If you want to make sure of it, contact your local reps and ask they where they stand on any specific piece of legislation and you will see...... Contrary to what most people think, the Democrats are not all anti-gun. In fact something like 60% of all voting Democrats in congress are not anti-gun at all....
And as I said, look at your state. That is where most of the laws come from, and that is where the anti-gun legislation will come from.
A ban on guns would mean a Constitutional amendment the likes of which we have never seen in history. And since just last year the 2nd amendment held up to the scrutiny of a 5-4 vote in DC, they won't be changing the 2dn amendment anytime soon.
They can tax ammo, but again, they won't get anything crazy passed like what they've done with tobacco. And the last time they tried it, the extra tax was shot down because of sporting and hunting. They decided that taxing small caliber ammo would hurt hunters and sportsmen too much..... If any tax goes through it will be on assault weapon ammo, and .50 caliber and above....</end quote></div>
I have 2 questions. What's an assault weapon?
What ammo can you get that's over .50 caliber?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MooseHenden
SS97, do you actually think they are not going to ban or tax firearms, their components, or try to outright ban them?</end quote></div>
No they are not.....
Even if they wanted to the votes are not there. The last 3 major anti-gun pieces of legislation to congress have died before they got started. The anti-gun dopes just do not have the votes to get it done. They can try all they want but they DO NOT have enough votes in congress or the house.
If you want to make sure of it, contact your local reps and ask they where they stand on any specific piece of legislation and you will see...... Contrary to what most people think, the Democrats are not all anti-gun. In fact something like 60% of all voting Democrats in congress are not anti-gun at all....
And as I said, look at your state. That is where most of the laws come from, and that is where the anti-gun legislation will come from.
A ban on guns would mean a Constitutional amendment the likes of which we have never seen in history. And since just last year the 2nd amendment held up to the scrutiny of a 5-4 vote in DC, they won't be changing the 2dn amendment anytime soon.
They can tax ammo, but again, they won't get anything crazy passed like what they've done with tobacco. And the last time they tried it, the extra tax was shot down because of sporting and hunting. They decided that taxing small caliber ammo would hurt hunters and sportsmen too much..... If any tax goes through it will be on assault weapon ammo, and .50 caliber and above....</end quote></div>
I have 2 questions. What's an assault weapon?
What ammo can you get that's over .50 caliber?
#15
03-03-2009, 06:50 AM
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What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
Hi JumboFrank. SS97, said .50 caliber and over. Under current law I can't think of anything other than percussions or flintlocks that are over .50 caliber. I've always wanted a .50 caliber just to see what it can punch through, but short on dollars these days. Obama and Biden both have a proven track record of antigun sentiment both in speeches and, at least in Biden's case, in votes. It is fortunate that a large part of newly elected Democrats are more conservative than the RINOs we have up here in New England. (Republican In Name Only) But, still, we would have to be idiotic at this point to not be watching what is going on. Alot of people said nothing would happen under Clinton also. JumboFrank makes another good point when he says, "What's an assault weapon?" When Clinton banned the further production of "assault weapons" it was, for the most part, what looks bad to we liberals here in Washington, D. C. I ended up buying a Ruger Mini-14. Mechanically, very similar to a Colt AR15 but doesn't "look" like an assault weapon. It even fires a NATO round. But, it doesn't "look" like an assault weapon. I wished before I had seen the writing on the wall and bought up a couple dozen AR15s when Clinton got elected. I could have made obscene profits based on misguided politicians' attempts to take guns away, or keep from purchasing guns from law abiding people. I've read what our Founding Fathers have said concerning firearms many times. "We the people" should be able to purchase any firearm we so desire. The 2nd amendment was written as a safeguard to all the other amendments to keep government at bay and to be able to throw off the government when it becomes tyrannical. A good percentage of the crowd in DC don't care what our founding fathers had to say about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They should be watched very carefully at the very least.
#16
03-03-2009, 07:48 AM
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#17
03-03-2009, 09:54 AM
What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ss97
This is totally not true........ </end quote></div>
Yes it is true. You're not paying attention and you're listening to what they say rather than what they do and what they have done in the past.
And for those hanging their hopes o the heller decision you're in for one hell of a shock. It was a serious loss for personal Liberty and the Second Amendment. Read the decision and the arguments. it's a wide open door for government regulation and it ignores completely the actual purpose of the Second Amendment.
This is totally not true........ </end quote></div>
Yes it is true. You're not paying attention and you're listening to what they say rather than what they do and what they have done in the past.
And for those hanging their hopes o the heller decision you're in for one hell of a shock. It was a serious loss for personal Liberty and the Second Amendment. Read the decision and the arguments. it's a wide open door for government regulation and it ignores completely the actual purpose of the Second Amendment.
#18
03-03-2009, 10:28 AM
#19
03-03-2009, 10:35 AM
What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
I grew up in a demo house, my mom and dad were yellow dog dems.....after '64 and Goldwater, they switched to a conservative republican party. I am not a dem or republican,just a libertarian...that means Bush started screwing us, and now we will get the real big banana......Barama is without a doubt,the worse nitemare we will see. Worse than Carter,which I thought we wouldn't see again. Just remember some of us voted for that ego eating mania.Now we must make the best of it. Keep your powder dry......
#20
03-03-2009, 03:03 PM
What's the deal with ammunition or lack there of?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Oldman800
Sorry ss97 but you are wrong. The Federal gun bans WILL be in force nationwide no matter what the individual state laws are! And believe me the OBAMANATION has plans to eventually take ALL your guns. Either by outright bans, or taxation to the point that you can't afford them. That is already in the works in the House with HR 25. It will require registration, fingerprinting and updated addresses if you move just to own a handgun, or semi-automatic rifle or shotgun with a detachable magazine. WELCOME TO THE UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA. This is just the beginning!!!!! (Of the end of the country as we know it)</end quote></div>
Look, I'm not here making stuff up.... I hate Obama as much as anyone and I'm a proud CCW license holder and NRA supporter.......But for those of you who think I'm drinking some form of Democratic kool-aid I'm sorry you are all dead wrong. I could say the same thing if I wanted to flip that around and say that some of you are drinking the Republican kool-aid just as easily.
If the states do not hold the power, how else do you explain their ability to restrict guns in their own state? If you lived in NY or NJ or CA, you would know this. No federal ban is coming, it is simple as that.......The votes are just not there in Congress and no phantom executive order exists in order to circumvent the constitution
Look it up, all the recent attempts to get anti-gun legislation through has been shot down. Look up and you will see S1069/A4057 in NY trying to get through, and even that does not have the votes in a totally Democratic fold......
Obama's history is not great, but you are talking about a man who was trying to ban guns in the inner city of Chicago. This is a very small base and a small sample of America. There are too many pro gun people in the USA who voted for Obama and are pro gun. If he ticks them all off he will not get re-elected, and believe me that is the #1 priority for all these guys once they get elected in the first place.
As I said, it is great that so many people are interested in the 2A now, but it is not Obama you have to worry about, seriously..... This is the mistake that may voters make. The only pay attention to the President and that is how we all get screwed.
How many of you can tell me how your local reps stand on gun laws? If you can't that is a problem right there. Because it is those people that vote on any legislation that is introduced. Obama is not sitting there writing laws, that is not the president's job. If anything anti-gun gets to his desk it is because your local reps voted for it.
Sorry ss97 but you are wrong. The Federal gun bans WILL be in force nationwide no matter what the individual state laws are! And believe me the OBAMANATION has plans to eventually take ALL your guns. Either by outright bans, or taxation to the point that you can't afford them. That is already in the works in the House with HR 25. It will require registration, fingerprinting and updated addresses if you move just to own a handgun, or semi-automatic rifle or shotgun with a detachable magazine. WELCOME TO THE UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA. This is just the beginning!!!!! (Of the end of the country as we know it)</end quote></div>
Look, I'm not here making stuff up.... I hate Obama as much as anyone and I'm a proud CCW license holder and NRA supporter.......But for those of you who think I'm drinking some form of Democratic kool-aid I'm sorry you are all dead wrong. I could say the same thing if I wanted to flip that around and say that some of you are drinking the Republican kool-aid just as easily.
If the states do not hold the power, how else do you explain their ability to restrict guns in their own state? If you lived in NY or NJ or CA, you would know this. No federal ban is coming, it is simple as that.......The votes are just not there in Congress and no phantom executive order exists in order to circumvent the constitution
Look it up, all the recent attempts to get anti-gun legislation through has been shot down. Look up and you will see S1069/A4057 in NY trying to get through, and even that does not have the votes in a totally Democratic fold......
Obama's history is not great, but you are talking about a man who was trying to ban guns in the inner city of Chicago. This is a very small base and a small sample of America. There are too many pro gun people in the USA who voted for Obama and are pro gun. If he ticks them all off he will not get re-elected, and believe me that is the #1 priority for all these guys once they get elected in the first place.
As I said, it is great that so many people are interested in the 2A now, but it is not Obama you have to worry about, seriously..... This is the mistake that may voters make. The only pay attention to the President and that is how we all get screwed.
How many of you can tell me how your local reps stand on gun laws? If you can't that is a problem right there. Because it is those people that vote on any legislation that is introduced. Obama is not sitting there writing laws, that is not the president's job. If anything anti-gun gets to his desk it is because your local reps voted for it.