and if you drown the engine and water gets in the oil does it get in the tranny also just how bulletproof is this tranny if i ride in tons of water would a foreman 450 be better i have a 660 grizz and im tired of the water problems gonna sell it and get a 450S or ruby

 

Check on the Rubicon's speed before you buy one. I never raced one, but a dealer told me my 450S was faster due to the auto tranny on the Rubicon sucking up so much power unless you don't like shifting. I haven't verified this is true with any other source.

 

Your dealer needs to get his head checked ! A Rubicon will kill a 450 es with ease.

 

The tranny is sealed. There are no breathers for it like a belt. The only way water can get in is for you to sink your quad. I have sunk mine big time and no problems.

The Rubicon is faster on the drag strip than a 450. Any day.

 

I've heard the 450 puts out 1-2 more HP than the rubi, is it true???

 

In deep mud HP means nothing. Its all about torque. From what I remember both the 450 and Rubicon are at about 20-21 HP stock.

 

I don't know why a dealer would tell you a 450 is faster than a Rubicon. I have several friends with 2001 and 2002 SP 500 HO's and I can out run half of them and the other half can out run me. We are only talking a few feet in a drag race. If you get water in the engine oil, it will end up in the trans. Otherwise, no water will ever enter the trans. The trans in the Rubicon is like 95% efficient, more than the style in automobiles and more than a belt drive.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

I have a Rubi and a 450 S. The Rubicon is much faster. That dealer is trying to move his 450's

 

the 450 is a better buy, in canada my brother got his 450 for 6999, and the cheapest rubi is 8699, that's a lot more money for not a lot more quad

 

Not to be a pest, but are you guys comparing a Rubicon with a 2002 or newer 450S. My 2002 has 2wd selectable and I know for a fact that it is noticeably faster than an earlier 450 without 2wd option. The ruby should obviously have more power with a bigger engine and liquid cooling, but the 450 trans and 2wd should provide less drag. Just a thought.