D.C. Argues Gun Rights Only For Militias
#2
Thats complete B.S. Did you look at the survey though? 96% say that gun ownership is an individuals RIGHT! That should tell them something. I will say one thing though...well quote someone else...
"So as we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those words again for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed, and especially for you, Mr. Gore: From my cold dead hands! (raises a rifle in his hand) "
-Charlton Heston @ the 2000 NRA convention
The last part is the best: "From my cold dead hands!"
"So as we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those words again for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed, and especially for you, Mr. Gore: From my cold dead hands! (raises a rifle in his hand) "
-Charlton Heston @ the 2000 NRA convention
The last part is the best: "From my cold dead hands!"
#6
I won't get into a huge length post on the subject but the justices in their arguments are showing they can't can't understand even the most simple aspects of constitutional history or the context of of what they're trying to rule on. The frightening part is they don't even know they're role. They're unfortunately going to legislate from the bench and attempt to "rewrite" the constitution to make it say something historically it does not and something it's founders did not intend.
What did they intended? Let's ask them shall we?
Let's ask founding father George M Mason"...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
And
"That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..."
How about Mr. James Monroe?
"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Would the esteemed Father of our country George Washington weigh in on the subject?
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence."
Will the gentleman from Virginia and orator extraordinaire, Patrick Henry enlighten us as to the purpose of our arms?
"Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, in our hands, or in those of congress?"
How about Thomas Jefferson?
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) asserts that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
How about Richard Henry Lee?
"... whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..."
Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer 53, 1788
No matter what some black robed tyrant says it doesn't change what the Constitutions actually means. Even in US Code YOU are a member of the militia which is not the national guard no matter how much they advance they myth they are the modern minutemen and such. They aren't. They're a standing army. A modern professional outstanding one but the US or state militia they aren't.
Before I go off another legal tangent I'll leave you with a final quote from Thomas Jefferson. This quote cuts to the heart of why there is a Second Amendment. It isn't about hunting. It isn't even about protecting your family from intruders and common criminals or people trying to do you physical harm. The Second Amendment is to protect you and your Liberty from the government, the power of the state and any force they may be able to turn against the people. It is the final check and balance.
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.", in letter to William S. Smith, 1787
What did they intended? Let's ask them shall we?
Let's ask founding father George M Mason"...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
And
"That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..."
How about Mr. James Monroe?
"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Would the esteemed Father of our country George Washington weigh in on the subject?
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence."
Will the gentleman from Virginia and orator extraordinaire, Patrick Henry enlighten us as to the purpose of our arms?
"Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, in our hands, or in those of congress?"
How about Thomas Jefferson?
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) asserts that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
How about Richard Henry Lee?
"... whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..."
Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer 53, 1788
No matter what some black robed tyrant says it doesn't change what the Constitutions actually means. Even in US Code YOU are a member of the militia which is not the national guard no matter how much they advance they myth they are the modern minutemen and such. They aren't. They're a standing army. A modern professional outstanding one but the US or state militia they aren't.
Before I go off another legal tangent I'll leave you with a final quote from Thomas Jefferson. This quote cuts to the heart of why there is a Second Amendment. It isn't about hunting. It isn't even about protecting your family from intruders and common criminals or people trying to do you physical harm. The Second Amendment is to protect you and your Liberty from the government, the power of the state and any force they may be able to turn against the people. It is the final check and balance.
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.", in letter to William S. Smith, 1787
#7
That's a beautiful post there, Cap'n Quint. Saving it to my documents.
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#9
The first admendment states "right of the people". Of course it deals with freedom of speech.
The second admendment states "right of the people" also.
So if it is being stated that the second admendment doesn't apply to the "right of the people" then the first admendment must not apply to the people either. I wonder who it does apply to.
The second admendment states "right of the people" also.
So if it is being stated that the second admendment doesn't apply to the "right of the people" then the first admendment must not apply to the people either. I wonder who it does apply to.
#10
Originally posted byReb2: The first admendment states "right of the people". Of course it deals with freedom of speech.
The second admendment states "right of the people" also.
So if it is being stated that the second admendment doesn't apply to the "right of the people" then the first admendment must not apply to the people either. I wonder who it does apply to.
Reb - if you were a liberal it would all be clear to you.....to see it from their perspective you have to have your head up your.....
The second admendment states "right of the people" also.
So if it is being stated that the second admendment doesn't apply to the "right of the people" then the first admendment must not apply to the people either. I wonder who it does apply to.
Reb - if you were a liberal it would all be clear to you.....to see it from their perspective you have to have your head up your.....


