yoshimura 11k rev box for vforce
Nov 19, 2003 | 07:32 PM
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finally heard back from yoshimura there rev limiter is not going to do anything with the timing so my eyes wont do bit good mines modified and still cant hit rev limiter now
Nov 20, 2003 | 09:36 AM
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Because that costs money and they are cheap bastards, lol. This product is a total waste of any ones time and money, if it only increases the rev limiter or if your quad is very highly modified.
Nov 20, 2003 | 11:29 AM
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Did anyone ask them , what the hell they were thinking???
How in the heck is it supposed to help performance? when the stock v-force(even with pipes,jets) will not make power past 8000 rpm. and wont pull the current rev-limiter!
This sounds like a SCAM to get people that dont know any better to spend thier hard earned money on the "YOSHI" name[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img] Its bad enough that we have to put up with HIGH prices on everything that has anything to do with an ATV. But know we have products coming out that have no chance of working! How in the heck does a "performance" company like Yoshimera(sp) test this product anyway? Put the V-force in Neutral??? cause thats the only way they are going to get it past 8000 rpms.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]
BIgger.
How in the heck is it supposed to help performance? when the stock v-force(even with pipes,jets) will not make power past 8000 rpm. and wont pull the current rev-limiter!
This sounds like a SCAM to get people that dont know any better to spend thier hard earned money on the "YOSHI" name[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img] Its bad enough that we have to put up with HIGH prices on everything that has anything to do with an ATV. But know we have products coming out that have no chance of working! How in the heck does a "performance" company like Yoshimera(sp) test this product anyway? Put the V-force in Neutral??? cause thats the only way they are going to get it past 8000 rpms.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]
BIgger.
Nov 20, 2003 | 03:30 PM
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BiggerisBetter,
Has pretty good handle on reality, LOL. With playing around with different ignitions both the V and P are hard up to get above 8200 because of cams they do not have enough duration to produce the higher rpms even with added timing. The most a person can hope for is another 300 - 400 rpm with OEM cams and springs especially with more timing. Yoshimura will be blowing smoke if all they are going to do is move the rev limiter. Although as Shotgun has explained Nos likes to have less timing this is where I would think Yoshi is trying to save their butt because there maybe someone who will do this......I can't imagine WHO LOL. I have pushed my Prairie and a friends V force to 11,000 rpm with Nos but only with a different ignition one that will retard timing after 8000 rpm. Kawi Engineers even though they are tight lipped most the time have told me the V twin likes 32* of timing advance a person can move to that number I have had it to 40* with different fuel combinations and it works very well. Personally I would like to see 32* come on at 2500 - 3000 rpm sustain that advance to 9200 rpm where it drops off to 28* at 10,000 rpm where it pulls to 11,000. I have an ignition that does that now and it works very nice there is no comparison to the performance it has now to what is used to have.
All Diamond G is doing is building a mapping device you can buy one through SPC MAPPER through the UK it is already on the market. Essentially a mapping device takes the timing degree and moves it out of phase from the cdi it advances the timing signal to more than is already set ( moves it out of phase ). The motor already has 28* of timing built in to it set by the manufacturer the cdi is programmed to advance the timing gradually to a maximum of 28* at 5000 rpm. The Mapper can move the timing out of regular faze ( hold back the timing signal from the pick up) so that more timing is the end result the cdi thinks it is still at 28* where in actuality it is 32* or what ever you decide to have it at. The only sad part is the Mapper can not move the rev limiter. Hope this helps.
Has pretty good handle on reality, LOL. With playing around with different ignitions both the V and P are hard up to get above 8200 because of cams they do not have enough duration to produce the higher rpms even with added timing. The most a person can hope for is another 300 - 400 rpm with OEM cams and springs especially with more timing. Yoshimura will be blowing smoke if all they are going to do is move the rev limiter. Although as Shotgun has explained Nos likes to have less timing this is where I would think Yoshi is trying to save their butt because there maybe someone who will do this......I can't imagine WHO LOL. I have pushed my Prairie and a friends V force to 11,000 rpm with Nos but only with a different ignition one that will retard timing after 8000 rpm. Kawi Engineers even though they are tight lipped most the time have told me the V twin likes 32* of timing advance a person can move to that number I have had it to 40* with different fuel combinations and it works very well. Personally I would like to see 32* come on at 2500 - 3000 rpm sustain that advance to 9200 rpm where it drops off to 28* at 10,000 rpm where it pulls to 11,000. I have an ignition that does that now and it works very nice there is no comparison to the performance it has now to what is used to have.
All Diamond G is doing is building a mapping device you can buy one through SPC MAPPER through the UK it is already on the market. Essentially a mapping device takes the timing degree and moves it out of phase from the cdi it advances the timing signal to more than is already set ( moves it out of phase ). The motor already has 28* of timing built in to it set by the manufacturer the cdi is programmed to advance the timing gradually to a maximum of 28* at 5000 rpm. The Mapper can move the timing out of regular faze ( hold back the timing signal from the pick up) so that more timing is the end result the cdi thinks it is still at 28* where in actuality it is 32* or what ever you decide to have it at. The only sad part is the Mapper can not move the rev limiter. Hope this helps.
Nov 20, 2003 | 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by: alltoys
The Mapper can move the timing out of regular faze ( hold back the timing signal from the pick up) so that more timing is the end result the cdi thinks it is still at 28* where in actuality it is 32* or what ever you decide to have it at. The only sad part is the Mapper can not move the rev limiter. Hope this helps.
The Mapper can move the timing out of regular faze ( hold back the timing signal from the pick up) so that more timing is the end result the cdi thinks it is still at 28* where in actuality it is 32* or what ever you decide to have it at. The only sad part is the Mapper can not move the rev limiter. Hope this helps.
I cant see any purpose for a 11K limiter, besides trying to increase the Japanse trade deficit.
Nov 21, 2003 | 03:50 AM
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Green700,
Your right must have been a Canadian Blonde faze LOL. Time to put myself into winter sleep faze LOL.
BBertram,
The so called unlimiter ( Mapper ) will not be that big of a plus if it follows the OEM guidlines where it bumps the timing to 32 at 5000 rpm and stays there to 8500, cams and such will limit your performance. The unlimiter ( Mapper ) will help but is not the total answer.
Your right must have been a Canadian Blonde faze LOL. Time to put myself into winter sleep faze LOL.
BBertram,
The so called unlimiter ( Mapper ) will not be that big of a plus if it follows the OEM guidlines where it bumps the timing to 32 at 5000 rpm and stays there to 8500, cams and such will limit your performance. The unlimiter ( Mapper ) will help but is not the total answer.