My point is that, for the price of a stock V, you can get a raptor plus a CT kit that puts 49+ horses to the rear wheels. How much is it going to cost you to put 50 horses to the rear wheels of a V? So dollar for dollar there's no contest. Pipe the V and go piped vs. piped. Still no contest. Not to mention the extra 100 pounds. I don't know about your races against DS-650s, but when I raced my brother's DS-650 stock for stock the result was the same time after time after time... I would pull away for a few seconds... get maybe 3 or 4 lengths easy. Then at about 100 feet give or take he would pass me like I was going backwards, and he weighs about 100 pounds more. The pink spring which I run now only delays that same outcome. And the raptor does the same thing but a little farther down the strip. The V should have been an 800 from the beginning because you need the extra displacement to overcome the shaft and auto.

Don't get me wrong... I'm only talking about drags. In the trails the V can compete easily against the DS or the Raptor because, even bone stock, it owns them from 0 to 30. Since I spend most of my time under 30 or 40 mph I'm always very satisfied with the huge torque and instant response and great acceleration that are the V's dominion, but I just want to be clear about the V being "fast." If "fast" is defined by drags longer than a hundred feet, the V isn't fast. It's a quick sonofagun though.

 

I just checked out CT Racings website, 50 horses at the wheels. Thats awesome but the Raptor only makes that HP at 7000 rpm, remember you need to change gears, the RPM needs to build up in each gear. It does not always run at 7000 rpm. It also has no lid, thats not practical. Its only practical for drags, no one from what I know has removed the lid on the V-Force and reported thair gains with the muzzys.

The Raptor has less potential HP than the V. Smaller bores always have less HP potential. If you add the biggest bore kit and all the other goodies for the Raptor and V-Force the V will have more ponies. A properly tuned CVT will allow for the correct gearing all the time, the HP will be at the sweet spot all the time. With the correct stall you can start the V off at 5000+ rpm, already nearing peak HP. The Raptor needs to build up the RPM and run through the gears and build it up 5 times. The problem with so much stall is wheelies but with a longer swing arm and ratcheting the front down you can run it hard out of the hole.

The V-Force is going to be a wicked drag quad, on the hard stuff or the sand. On sand it needs big tires, 24" tires with all the paddle you can find. The V is still new and people are stilling tuning them and learning how they react to sand, dirt, etc. Once the V has been out for as many years as the Raptor we will see even better gains.

Just because your V can't run with a piped Raptor doesn't mean none of them can and it doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.

Here is the Raptor dyno: Clicky


EDIT: The CT Racing pipe is the exception, its the only one to show huge gains in HP. So not EVERY piped Raptor is equal to the Dyno graph posted. Just because its piped doesn't mean its making 49 hp at peak efficiency in peak conditions. Why not take that Dyno to the desert on a hot hot day and see how much power it makes, why not slap the air box on? You will soon see that HP drop like a rock.

 

did you see that pipe on the rappy it sticks out alot farther than the fender. that sucks asz

 

Just noticed that extra long pipe, lol. Yah it would suck ***. Do a crazy wheelie and there goes the pipe, lol.

 

Oh come on! That's a race gas Only engine. lol.

I'd like to see the HP of a 12:1 700 cc with no air box restriction and the best pipe available.



all-in-all, given the choice again for me to either buy the cheaper Raptor or my V Force, I'd buy my V Force in a heart beat.

The Raptor felt like riding a bunch of tooth picks glued together.

my V is solid.

 

During the last year, I've had the chance to ride a DS650, EX400, Z400, Priarie 700, V-Force 700, Sportsman 500, LT250, and a Warrior 350. If there's one thing I learned, it's that shifting is way overrated. All this talk about what quad can beat what in a drag is pointless. It's what quad will put the biggest smile on your face. Come this fall, I plan on having a V-Force parked in the garage. If a Raptor beats me to the top of a dune, I could care less. I'll have more fun getting there. The machine fits like a glove, and the rumble from the big V-twin has an intoxicating sound that no other can match.

 

I don't have any problems with piped Raptors. I will admit that Raptors run very well. But, in the sand, they seem to hook up better. I have very little traction when I try to race in the sand. On dirt, it isn't close. I think that the raptor is a very good quad. I also think that most folks that own a V don't really understand how the auto works. I know I didn't. The stock clutch set up on a V hurts it more than any gearing change on another quad. Stock, it will never hit its peak hp and that is basicly what causes it to hit the "wall" at about 30 mph or so. I also don't think most V riders launch their quads agressivly enough. As far as hp goes. I did read a post on another forum where a well known parts maker did some testing on his personal fst785 motor and it made 78hp. I think that would be plenty to have a lot of fun on. Your best bet on deciding which is right for you is to ride both. That is the only way to make up your mind.

 

I like the V but my Raptor smoked everyone that had the b@lls to try to match me hills or woods or sand...I still like them though...even thought about buyin one just for those days when you don't feel like shifting.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

The Raptor is a very light and agile bike. I definitely give it a thumbs up.
If I was 5’11” I would have probably bought one.

But!

Since I’m 6’5” 245 lbs, I’ll keep my V and modify it till I’m happy/scared with it’s performance.


As far as trail riding, The V Kills the Raptor in ease of riding.
The V has a bar mounted gear selector and you don’t have to hold the clutch while going into reverse. My turn-around times beat any quad out there. Just think about how many times you go into some bushes where you have to reverse and turn around.
Plus, you can hold a soda and ride. hehe, try that with a clutch.


yea, I like my V, can you tell?

 

The V's are alright, but the auto tranny and huge size and weight makes it feel like a utility to me. I know with HMF duals they have a awesome sound, but I would take a Raptor over the V anyday. Just what I like, and that's JMO.