[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img] new brute has loads of power........and thats it! the brute has the new zilla 28" on it , 2" lift, and the king has 27" swamplites and the king did better in most(not all) mud holes. And before anyone says, the zillas went behind 2 brutes with 29.5 laws and 28-589's, so it wasnt so much the tires,and besides, everyone was telling me the swamps sucked in mudd. the brute couldnt stay in 4wd, and if it did, the locker failed almost every time. the bigger tires and lift was still lower than the king. on the trail, the king is "KING"! the brute will smoke it, and the king has a dobek tfi,and hmf pipe. so the only reason i am not too disgusted is i bought the brute fo $6500 out the door!