For a long time I've seen people post a technical question and the topic always twists into a non-technical direction. Not even close to what the original author is interested in - or even cares about. If there's so much "laws, statistics, safety and engine CC to rider age" opinions flying around, why don't we ask our moderator to create a sub forum??? Even other mini quad forums have sub sections such as: General Help, Technical Help and Riding Areas sub-forums. Add another sub forum such as "Safety & Laws" and it will attrack more readers to this forum.

Does this sould like a good idea to you too?

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Kind of like rats that scurry off into another hole when the light gets shown.

Lets call the new sub forum - "We don't want to hear about no stinkin rules"

I doubt ATVconnection wants a anti-safety forum.

Or lets call it "Im not getting enough attention if parents are being informed of the safety considerations on this forum"

 

For the record –
If we are going to debate the merits of having safety considerations discussed in this forum then lets do it in a honest and open forum. Lets not hide these important topics because it strokes some people backwards. These anti-safety emotional reactions come from those who have chosen to go outside of the industry guidelines and/or state laws and allow their children to ride over sized quads for their age. They just don’t want to hear it. None of it. Zero.

It seems that all posts are to be allowed – exept the ones a insignificantly small group are having some allergic reaction to.

The only wrong being done in this forum has been abuse from 3-4 regular contributors that have taken reactive offense to a statement made some time ago regarding the recommendation for what size quad to buy for a 4 or 5 year old.
The recommendation was then and remains that the appropriate purchase for someone that age should be a tricycle and puppy – and to leave the power toys until the child was older. Thats one opinion. Its not a command.

Since that time, a few of these others have made it some kind of quest to eject the safety postings from this forum. Although these threads have been read around 2000 times, about 5 persons have had some convulsive reaction to parents being told what the industry standards and state laws are for age and quad size. And when someone else posts about a child being seriously or fatally injured they react oddly – its like we just cut of their dogs tail or something. They don’t want to hear that - la, la, la, la, la,

One of the complainers of the safety topics must have decided that his arbitrary postings to the safety subject have likely made him look pretty stupid to the new reader so he went back and deleted most of them.

I agree that it would be inappropriate to slam anyone with safety issues if someone is asking how to put a foot peg back on the quad or a technical problem like the quad wont start. But that has not been the case.

The reality is that some part of the discussion turns to a safety consideration when you enter into the age/size arena, adding headlights for night riding to youth quads or the more obvious topics of where to find youth training or discussion of how we ended up where we are with the restrictions the way they are.

The most beneficial position to take is to let the forum community speak to and react to the postings on a whole and not let a few persons manipulate the forum to exclude the topics that make them uncomfortable.

 

Perfectly good idea just had to go south at one point. Making a sticky or a sub forum would help you out a lot whodat, you would not have to repeat your self so many times you could just post a link to the sticky or sub forum.

 

WOW WhoDatInDaMud!!!

Are you ok??? Just trying to help and you go "on and on" with la, la, la...

You belong to http://atvnation.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x You've seen the many positive benefits of the sub forms within that forum. Especially the "let it rip" or some of the other forums that have "fight club" areas. I'm trying to suggest ways to help you, and you go on-and-on with la, la, la. Sure hope things are ok in your side of the woods...

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No - I prefer to stay in the light and fight the good fight.


All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

So much of this struggle between good and bad decision making can be explained by Edmund Burke's observation. Time and again those who want only to inform the parents so they can make the best decisions for the safety of their children are clearly outnumber by those wanting to selfishly enrole parents to joining them in ignoring the rules with deciet and subterfuge - and they seem to prevail far too often.

Seldom is it the numbers that determine the outcome, but whether those who are overseeing the discusion are willing to stand up and be counted for what they know to be right. There are numerous examples of this sad and awful scenario being played out over and over again in many different discussions. Open discussion of honest and valued information is what is important - not whether I miss a way out.

 

Whodat, if those 5 people trhat reacted negatively to you and the 1 (you) that has reacted negatively to me are representative of the 2000 readers then what does that tell you?


Who dat in da minority? Huh! LOL! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

Rap -
you and i agree more than disagree. Although I don't understand the endless harassment. These are serious topics. Your posts do lead persons to think your not taking the topic very seriously - or honestly. I get a lot of email about that. I just blow it off but you should know.

And you dont go back and edit or delete your posts. So I can respect your opinion as your willing to let it stand. I may not always agree - but you dont' run like a rat.

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