DNR hearing for Beltrami Island State Forest, MN ......updated
#32
Northern Minnesota 10 Commandments
You betcha...
1. Der's only one God, ya know.
2. Don't make that fish on your mantle an idol.
3. Cussing ain't Minnesota nice.
4. Go to church even when you're up nort.
5. Honor your folks.
6. Don't kill. Catch and release.
7. There is only one Lena for every Ole. No cheatin'.
8. If it ain't your lutefisk, don't take it.
9. Don't be braggin' about how much snow ya shoveled.
10. Keep your mind off your neighbor's hotdish
Ok - so its a little off topic but what the hey there then now eh -
You betcha...
1. Der's only one God, ya know.
2. Don't make that fish on your mantle an idol.
3. Cussing ain't Minnesota nice.
4. Go to church even when you're up nort.
5. Honor your folks.
6. Don't kill. Catch and release.
7. There is only one Lena for every Ole. No cheatin'.
8. If it ain't your lutefisk, don't take it.
9. Don't be braggin' about how much snow ya shoveled.
10. Keep your mind off your neighbor's hotdish
Ok - so its a little off topic but what the hey there then now eh -
#33
Gettin a little snow happy are we? Dem cabins get pretty small dis time of year don't you know... Ya sure, you betcha
Do you mide if I substitute Lefsa for Luitefisk?
Do you mide if I substitute Lefsa for Luitefisk?
#34
lol ok daty you know better then that, that is just all stereotypes i hate lutefisk but i do say nort (AND WE DON'T TALK LIKE THOSE PEOPLE DO IN THAT MOVIE FARGO) and you all know we get to much snow to shovel thats why we got the 4430 john deere with the 7 or 8 foot john deere snow blower
#35
I grew up on a farm in central WI, and my grandma spoke nothing but Norge for years.... so I have the right to tell Ole jokes, and type with an accent der OK?. And boy what I would give to get some of my grandma's fresh lefsa right about now.... I'll pass on the pickled fish though...
#37
Oh yeah.... Or should I say oh hey der, you betcha... Been on the east coast for too long.. my fingers are losing my accent. That is the problem with living around DC, there are so many foreign born citizens here, the poor kids pick up all the accents and then you put them in a classroom with an old Virginia kid speaking like NASCAR's WARD BURTON, and you think they were from a different planet...
#38
This was in todays paper,an interview with the new MN dnr commisioner.
interview
Dennis Anderson: ATV use is hot-button issue
Dennis Anderson, Star Tribune
March 4, 2005
This week, Department of Natural Resources Commissioner Gene Merriam named DNR Forestry Division Director Mike Carroll the agency's regional director for the northwest, stationed in Bemidji. The action follows the recent re-assignment of regional director Paul Swenson and highlights the many conflicts brewing in the northwest, particularly over use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs). In the interview below, Merriam addresses these and other contentious issues.
Q: How will the appointment of DNR Forestry Division Director Mike Carroll help the DNR address the many conflicts it faces in northwest Minnesota?
A: Mike has been director of the division of forestry for four or five years. He is a strong and effective manager, and although he comes out of forestry, he has a highly varied natural-resources background.
As forestry director, Mike operated out of St. Paul, but also out of Park Rapids, where he lives. When we re-assigned Paul [Swenson], Mike indicated an interest in the job, and after Deputy Commissioner Mark Holsten, Assistant Commissioner Brad Moore and I discussed the needs the DNR has in the northwest, we thought Mike would be a good fit.
Q: Given the significant conflicts over ATV use in the northwest, and other problems concerning ditches, flooding and public lands, what qualities did you seek in a new regional director?
A: A lot of constituent outreach needs to be done in the northwest. Some enmity has grown there toward the agency over the years, and it was becoming more and more apparent that a new effort was needed to work with the people up there.
Q: Was Swenson failing in that regard?
A: Keep in mind, no one was terminated. We did make some reassignments. Paul [Swenson] has done a lot of valuable things for the DNR. He is highly regarded for his work on flood damage. I would only say positive things about him. But I think 12 years is a long time for someone to be in such a tough position, when you're on the front lines of delivering services and dealing with contentious issues.
Q: The recent meeting in Warroad attracted 2,200 people, most in favor of ATV use in the northwest on various lands, including state forests.
A: If the meeting wasn't the largest public participation meeting in the history of the DNR, it was close. Clearly, the ATV issue and our designation of trails in state forests has gotten the attention of the citizens of Roseau County in particular and the northwest in general.
Keep in mind, the idea of the public participation process is to factor in public sentiment into our decision making. And I think it would be accurate to say from what we have heard prior to and during the meeting about the Beltrami Island State Forest rules we developed for ATV use that people in that part of the state question how and why some of the rules were made. At the meeting, after hearing from people who know that forest extensively, it became clear we need to look at those trails again, after the snow has melted.
Q: You're bound by law to designate ATV trails on state forests.
A: We're required by Dec. 31, 2008, to go through all of the state forests and make all of the trail designations. In each case, we have to have at least one public meeting. Beyond that, we have a great deal of discretion as to how many trails we designate and where we designate them.
This particular forest is complicated by a number of factors. There are extensive lowlands and wetlands in the forest. Also there are many and scattered federal land ownerships leased to the state that raise some questions about what our rights and duties are regarding the state and that land.
Q: What are the other hot button issues in the northwest?
A: ATV trails in Kittson County also are an issue. Not within state forests, but in places where ATVs have been ridden in the past that have since been made into state Wildlife Management Areas. We also have the whole Con-Con land conflict, where the law requires us to designate at least 90 miles of trails within those lands. There is a lot of dissatisfaction on how fast we're doing that and how well we're doing it. Also, just the presence of the Con-Con lands has led to conflicts up there.
And the fact that there has been so much flooding in the northwest in recent years has heightened other sensitivities.
Q: Can you give assurances to "anti-ATV" people and others that the DNR is not going to sell out to locals in the northwest over these issues?
A: I and all of the people within the DNR take very seriously our responsibility to protect the resources. At the same time we realize that both motorized recreation and utilitarian use of ATVs are appropriate. But we have two responsibilities regarding ATVs when considering these issues: Is use of ATVs going to do permanent damage to the resource? And secondly, what of the conflict among people and groups over use of ATV? There have to be appropriate places to ride. But we also have to keep other places for other people and uses.
Q: Are problems in the northwest requiring the DNR to direct disproportionate amounts of staff time and resources there?
A: I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't call the northwest situation a distraction.
Q: Rumors have it that legislators from the northwest pressured the DNR to make personnel changes there.
A: There have been no directions or requests regarding changes of that kind, either from legislators or from the governor's office. Certainly we have met with legislators from the northwest, but no one has ever told us to get this person or that person out of there.
interview
Dennis Anderson: ATV use is hot-button issue
Dennis Anderson, Star Tribune
March 4, 2005
This week, Department of Natural Resources Commissioner Gene Merriam named DNR Forestry Division Director Mike Carroll the agency's regional director for the northwest, stationed in Bemidji. The action follows the recent re-assignment of regional director Paul Swenson and highlights the many conflicts brewing in the northwest, particularly over use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs). In the interview below, Merriam addresses these and other contentious issues.
Q: How will the appointment of DNR Forestry Division Director Mike Carroll help the DNR address the many conflicts it faces in northwest Minnesota?
A: Mike has been director of the division of forestry for four or five years. He is a strong and effective manager, and although he comes out of forestry, he has a highly varied natural-resources background.
As forestry director, Mike operated out of St. Paul, but also out of Park Rapids, where he lives. When we re-assigned Paul [Swenson], Mike indicated an interest in the job, and after Deputy Commissioner Mark Holsten, Assistant Commissioner Brad Moore and I discussed the needs the DNR has in the northwest, we thought Mike would be a good fit.
Q: Given the significant conflicts over ATV use in the northwest, and other problems concerning ditches, flooding and public lands, what qualities did you seek in a new regional director?
A: A lot of constituent outreach needs to be done in the northwest. Some enmity has grown there toward the agency over the years, and it was becoming more and more apparent that a new effort was needed to work with the people up there.
Q: Was Swenson failing in that regard?
A: Keep in mind, no one was terminated. We did make some reassignments. Paul [Swenson] has done a lot of valuable things for the DNR. He is highly regarded for his work on flood damage. I would only say positive things about him. But I think 12 years is a long time for someone to be in such a tough position, when you're on the front lines of delivering services and dealing with contentious issues.
Q: The recent meeting in Warroad attracted 2,200 people, most in favor of ATV use in the northwest on various lands, including state forests.
A: If the meeting wasn't the largest public participation meeting in the history of the DNR, it was close. Clearly, the ATV issue and our designation of trails in state forests has gotten the attention of the citizens of Roseau County in particular and the northwest in general.
Keep in mind, the idea of the public participation process is to factor in public sentiment into our decision making. And I think it would be accurate to say from what we have heard prior to and during the meeting about the Beltrami Island State Forest rules we developed for ATV use that people in that part of the state question how and why some of the rules were made. At the meeting, after hearing from people who know that forest extensively, it became clear we need to look at those trails again, after the snow has melted.
Q: You're bound by law to designate ATV trails on state forests.
A: We're required by Dec. 31, 2008, to go through all of the state forests and make all of the trail designations. In each case, we have to have at least one public meeting. Beyond that, we have a great deal of discretion as to how many trails we designate and where we designate them.
This particular forest is complicated by a number of factors. There are extensive lowlands and wetlands in the forest. Also there are many and scattered federal land ownerships leased to the state that raise some questions about what our rights and duties are regarding the state and that land.
Q: What are the other hot button issues in the northwest?
A: ATV trails in Kittson County also are an issue. Not within state forests, but in places where ATVs have been ridden in the past that have since been made into state Wildlife Management Areas. We also have the whole Con-Con land conflict, where the law requires us to designate at least 90 miles of trails within those lands. There is a lot of dissatisfaction on how fast we're doing that and how well we're doing it. Also, just the presence of the Con-Con lands has led to conflicts up there.
And the fact that there has been so much flooding in the northwest in recent years has heightened other sensitivities.
Q: Can you give assurances to "anti-ATV" people and others that the DNR is not going to sell out to locals in the northwest over these issues?
A: I and all of the people within the DNR take very seriously our responsibility to protect the resources. At the same time we realize that both motorized recreation and utilitarian use of ATVs are appropriate. But we have two responsibilities regarding ATVs when considering these issues: Is use of ATVs going to do permanent damage to the resource? And secondly, what of the conflict among people and groups over use of ATV? There have to be appropriate places to ride. But we also have to keep other places for other people and uses.
Q: Are problems in the northwest requiring the DNR to direct disproportionate amounts of staff time and resources there?
A: I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't call the northwest situation a distraction.
Q: Rumors have it that legislators from the northwest pressured the DNR to make personnel changes there.
A: There have been no directions or requests regarding changes of that kind, either from legislators or from the governor's office. Certainly we have met with legislators from the northwest, but no one has ever told us to get this person or that person out of there.
#39
sounds to me that Mr. Anderson asked some pretty direct questions... and although there was a little tap dancing going on in the answers, it is clear that the DNR has heard the voice of the people on this issue, and that support of the lawmakers is important to the actions being considered and taken. I hope that the organizers responsible for getting enthusiasts to show up at the meeting will work equally as hard and volunteer to be by their side when they undertake the survey... and work constructively with the DNR in developing the new master plan.....
#40
come on DB ward has a southern accent lol and i get it from both sides a northern accent plus i talk like them darn canadians to i guess sometimes. i called highlifter which is out of louisianna or someplace south cause i got the module for my fourwheeler and it was faulty. first thing he asks me is if i am from canada my feelings were hurt. lol he had a much stronger accent then me though don't ya know.


