Guess this proves that those who ultimately chose sides and refuse to look at anything from a standpoint other than how it can prove or perpetuate their "side" are either wimpy, crazy or insane, but hey we knew that already [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I do wish the study was done in middle america so that we could have had more well rounded results that would not be potentially swayed by the typical "berkely" mentality that all were later introduced to.

Still have to continue to question when we will all learn that the world does not spin on a liberal or conservative axis, and those who adhere to a single faceted thinking without question will never be 100% correct on anything.

 

I gott agree with that.
It pretty much sumerizes what that last article was about.
The republicans cant get away with what they are diong with out the help of the democrats. There is no opposition party left in america. Everything is for the corporations...a facist state.
All they can do is keep the emotion and hate going, instead of doing what they were elected to do, which is provide the day to day running of the country. We didnt elect them to divide us all on hot topics, like immagration and marriage and abortion. We hired them to take care of the budget, and provide security, and keep jobs in america. They seem to be failing on lots of areas, and then to keep the population from examing them, they throw out these hot topic ....which are emotionally charged topics to keep us fighting among ourselves.
My feeling is, if they arent fighting FOR the middle class, they are against us.( to paraphrase the pres's saying)

Also in yesterdays local paper, there was this well written letter, which im sure youll agree with.

"Get to work, lawmakers

I, like Doug Grow, am perplexed by Sen. Michele Bachmann's statement that a constitutional ban on g@y marriage "is the No. 1 issue in the state" (column, March 28). As a voter in Bachmann's district I have a few items that I wish she would put ahead of her personal beliefs:

• Property taxes going through the roof.

• Minnesota being the largest importer of electricity in the United States.

• Over 46 million Americans without health insurance.

• The jobs being created in our country pay less than the jobs that are disappearing.

• National debt and trade deficit are at all-time highs.

• Our government is outsourcing our national security.

• Corporate America is outsourcing our jobs and national defense.

• Our borders are unguarded.

• The Iraq war.

To me g@y marriage is a wedge issue that politicians put out there to distract the American public from their own ineptitude to solve problems that impact our state and country.

"

 

Wow is this Rush himself here? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Or maybe its actually GW himself pretending to be a rider [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Lets look at some of the things your saying here. (oh and i am not attacking you personally ok)

No I dont want to govt to have the right to violate my rights, and not in a time of peace or a time of war. I realize that if we do not maintain the very things that make our country great during the hard times we will not have anything left to enjoy during the "good times".

I also suspect that there was enough intel prior to 911 that I have to think that spying on innocent american citizens would not have produced any different results that day. If you dont believe this the start locating info and proofing out all the lies and see what you find.

Yes I do hope the those with intent on attacking America or its citizens just give up, but I dont expect that to happen (I mean c'mon already) and with the continued pressures put on various countries I actually expect the hatred and attacks to increase unless some large changes take place.

I also find it totally unacceptable to offer a choice of follow me or follow the devil, and neither GW or yourself have the right to openly offend good hard working americans with a choice of join us 100% or be a supporter of terror.

This is actually one of the largest issues or problems I have with the right, and there continued scare tactics and manipulations are becoming seriously insulting and are pushing more than one person to the left.

How about a vote if you are willing to give up all your personal possesions to the fight on terror and take a vow of poverty, or that you support terror (sorry that was the most assinine one I could think of )

 

Maybe while were takling vote we should consider this.

A) Allow all the thievery and countless years of overspending on every pet project and pandering to countless political supporters combined with a total lack of fiscal responsibility to come to an end causing hundreds of millions of hard working americans to face the highest unemployment , forecloseures, crime, starvation, and homeless rates ever seen where people are literally starving in the streets.

Or

B) Create a situation that will allow the continued washing of newly printed worthless dollars to further hedge the bets on a deficit so sizable that no one may actually know where it really ends all leading up to a unprovoked war supported by misleading info that though it may last for so many years it (and maybe one or two others) will ultimately buy enough time to allow the now deficit and debt driven us economy to somehow recover.


I really wish there was a C because I honestly dont like either of the choices above, and I think we can see which was chosen by most ALL of our political leaders, and now the big question is if we should allow our govt to take steps bringing us all closer to martial law or becoming a police state (spying on us is just the start) so that they can continue to mis run the country rather than take this chance to make us "whole" again and then have obsolute power to control when the **** really hits the fan.

Actually I am betting on a C, but the future of an entire country filled with good people is one hell of a thing to gamble on, but thats exactly what both the dems and reps have done for many decades, and now we may have cover their bets.

 

Buster As much as I am happy to see we are agreeing on things again it also worries me that more and more people are starting to see the problems caused by the political party "machines", but at the same time there are no apparent changes being made by those actually running these machines.

Is it that they honestly dont care what the public thinks or needs, and that their only agenda is to continually purpetuate their party no matter the cost? You would think with all the changes in peoples thinking away from the two parties that they would be less arrogant and make changes to their parties accordingly, but obviously there not willing to give up a single thing or bit of power even if it means saving our country from disaster.

Also g@y marraige need not be so damn complicated at all, and I honestly believe its the govt itself and the insurance lobby that are so strongly opposed and creating all the debate as to cause this issue to continue without result so that they can prolong any losses or expenses.

Maybe I am over simplifying this but do away with the word marraige (maybe completely lol) create a new name that is agreable to all concerned, do not purposely confuse it with religous type marraige (lets not forget how many religions look at same sex etc) and allow those who dont figure into the normal man and woman relationship some legal method of joining etc. And if either side isnt totally 100% happy then you know you got it right [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

I cant believe that G@Y is a restricted word here

Is this place run by homophobe's [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Or just a little confused as to what to "CENSOR"

 

I read that and somehow can not stop wondering if Binladen himself was not more informed on the US economic situation and motivations than the typical american citizen.

Wouldnt he have had to have known something to have made such a comment in the first place?

Does this add additional merit to the whole petroldollar discussion or theory?

Could have Binladen known from his previous dealings as a friend of the US in previous situations like Afganistan etc the seriousness of maintianing the petrodollar and the future potential repercussions like war that may be used to protect it?

I think there is something here, and really like to know what you all think on this one.

 

That's been pretty common knowledge in the finance/economics community since the '70s when we eliminated gold as a reserve and created the Petrodollar using our debt. I seriously doubt that the average American not involved in those fields at a national or international level would have reason to be aware of the eventual ramifications. I'd think that lack of awareness would be true to this day. Our governing system is based on political popularity achieving administrative office and a sure way to not be elected is alarming the public with past and current financial irresponsibility.

Bin Laden has degrees in civil engineering, economics and public administration, all taken at Saudi Arabia's best university. It would seem natural that he, from a wealthy Saud family in the construction business and educated in economics, would be very aware of US economic problems. US economic decline began in the '70s, his education was a little after the decline began, making his education fresh with regard to at that time contemporary world politics. Wars take big money (we paid virtually nothing for the first Gulf War, the tab being picked up by others) and I'm sure he was very aware of our Achilles Heel. Our conventional military is overwhelming, and obviously useless in unconventional war as proven by Vietnam and Iraq, and spending big money to become even more inefficient in a war with no financial gain, booty, so simple logic would dictate using unconventional, cost effective means to bleed us out.

Numbers unassociated with their personal circumstances understandably bore the average American to tears. I can quote the 33% increase in national debt since 911 and that the ceiling was again raised to pay interest so we can print more money to run the place, but that's a boring statistic. What does interest them is jobs and victory. I honestly don't think the average American will pay any attention to US fiscal problems initiated by the scam of a war on terror until their household income continues to stagnant, food and energy costs literally hurt them and their local taxes increase to a panic point that makes them realize what they're paying for is mismanagement at a federal level by all of their elected representatives. That's not victory; it will cost a bunch of jobs, most of our liberty and lower already cooked GDP.

So who's winning?

 

Are there no other replies because you cant argue with someone when there right!!