Other Guy,

I was a very good meeting, in Lake County, All the Commitioners, are on board, as well as the Sheriff, but the road Commition has problems. The opinion from the Attoney General on public act 451, may become a problem for us, but precedent have been set in several Counties already.
It will happen in these 2 Counties, its just a matter of. There are several more counties in northern Mich that are looking at opening the roads to ORV'S, the hand wrighting is on the wall to the State of Michigan, ATV'S are here to stay, and its time to change the Laws, move the line down from the UP to M20.
Dick Stapley
MCATV

 

Oldboy,
As I read that letter from the Attorney Generals office a few items need to be noted to your commissioners.

1. It's not an AG opinion! An AG's opinion would come with a number attached and signed by the AG. This letter is signed by the AG's assistant.

If the road commissions over there start to throw that letter in your face ask them to prove it's legality. Chances are they can't and they have already had their lawyers review it and know exactly what they can and can't do with the letter. My guess is they know what they can do with it, and it's not going to be as soft as cottenelle.

 

Here's another question that won't get answered....who is meeting in private vs public with these road commissioners...and what are their concerns related to the duties this public has hired them to perform?

From AMA District 14 referring to similiar action elsewhere:
"...The action by the Attorney Generals office, as we know it, was prompted by complaints of two dissident county road commissions and at least two township Supervisors that got out voted in recent township Board actions in adopting the ordinance...."

If this is yet another county questioning this....who in the heck are we sending into these people's offices and is every complaint made in each county of the same nature? (unfunded mandate, etc.).
One of the problems we have with these bozos representing us is that everybody with a contrary opinion to theirs is treated the same way....with pure arrogance and the kind of name-calling you've witnessed in droves here. I want to hear what not only they have to say, but what the concerns of road commissioners all over this state have been with the huge influx of our machines on the largest trail system in this country (by gosh the sledders have worked with these people for years and we can also when using the correct approach and in a <u>professional</u> manner).

Let's hear some public statements (you know, of the type even our own leaders refuse to give) from those that stand in our way so that the lowly "peons" of this orv community can help assess why their is an impasse here <U>in</U> <U>the</U> <U>first</U> <U>place</U>.

 

Listen to blackballed talk as if he had anything to do with the happenings of opening the county roads to ORV use. He uses statements like "who are WE sending, and terms like,"duties this public hired them to perform".

WE are not sending anybody, the people attending these meetings are people who live in the communities looking to change the county road status. Without the support of the people living in these area's these ordinances don't have a chance. But rest assured if WE had to pick someone to go and represent the ORV comunity in Michigan it would not be YOU.

 

theotherGuy,

I could'nt have said that any better. I've yet to see BB at ANY meeting regarding the openings of ANY county shoulder road openings. He sure talks ALOT of BS about what other HIRED duties of other folks are or are not doing though. The dude's as useless as a snapping turtle teaching a ORV safety class.

 

I have a letter, from Joel Sheltrown, to several Representatives, addressing the AG opinion, saying..
This AG'S opinion seeming would invalidate the many existing county ORV ordinances in the U.P. and N.L.P.
He said, I am drafting legislation that would remedy this situation., He is meeting with C.R.A. of Mich, and ORV/ ATV groups, to develop a resolution that would allow counties to open some or all of there roads. This will take care of this problem.
Dick Stapley
MCATV

 

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Originally posted by: Theotherguy
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Listen to blackballed talk as if he had anything to do with the happenings of opening the county roads to ORV use..."

If you can point out the word/words/or even sentance that implies this...fine. Otherwise, claiming that the following supports same frankly puts you in a league with Muddy in "reading comprehension" skills

"...He uses statements like "who are WE sending...'

Uhhhhh, that "we" would be the almost 200,000 users not privy to who your super-secret MMRC actually sends to a meeting with our local officials nor what they are advising them as to what "we" desire.

"...and terms like,"duties this public hired them to perform".WE are not sending anybody...."

Again, I'm going to have to treat you like a 'kid' here. Do you actually posess the capacity to distinguish just who an author is referring to at any given time....or do you just shoot off at the mouth in whatever manner seems to fit the situation?
"...THE DUTIES THIS PUBLIC HIRED THEM TO PERFORM..." IS IN REFERENCE TO ROAD COMMISSIONERS in each respective county...NOT YOURSELF OR ANY MEMBER OF YOUR SECRET HANDSHAKE GROUP!
When you claim to not be sending "anybody" to speak with these very important officials in this process which impacts their very responsibilities....please don't tell me that each and every time you've first met or dealt with each one of these county leaders....it has been in the contentious and confrontational environment of these public meetings!

Tell me something....is there anybody in your group who has one ounce of professional experience; or should we assume that your apparent inability to even grasp the first person identity concept in your perevious post...pretty much tells that story also?

"....the people attending these meetings are people who live in the communities looking to change the county road status....."

So what do these community members tell you when you inquire(?) about our community possibly meeting with the very people who are one of the MAJOR players in making this side-of-the-road trial opportunity a reality?
That these road commissioners are "a bunch of idiots" or "unwilling to open their door".....and you not only believe them... but go one step even further to ignore them untill the day you show up in their county withy your "by gosh this is the way it's going to be!" opinions in public?

"...But rest assured if WE had to pick someone to go and represent the ORV comunity in Michigan it would not be YOU....."

Believe me, I wouldn't want to be associated with a group who assumes that jamming these issues down our local official's throat with absolutely no chance given to speak their peace beforehand is a professional or even intelligent way to procede.

I'm getting the feeling that "arrogance" by these so-called leaders isn't actually the problem here....as most arrogant people 'I' know grasp even the basics of conducting themselves in public properly or moving forward with an agenda in a manner which garners respect and not inevitable confrontation. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

 

IMO this guy like mud will not answer anything, but question everything. Are they being told not to release any information, or IMO more likely they know none.


Motorsports [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

Originally posted by: Motorsports"
"..Are they being told not to release any information, or IMO more likely they know <u>none</u>."Motorsports [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][/quote]

As I tried to explain earlier...these guys were <u>at</u> the meeting and are playing the exact same game that they like to play inside their "super-secret" MMRC..."we don't know anything; yet you can damn well be sure that WE make thedecisions!"(see my signature below).

One meeting attendee 'couldn't be sure' if the consensus was that every bit of mileage in the Upper Peninsula should go strictly to the "me-only" trail cyclists... and the other....well we've already heard how Muddy feels concerning the fact that 'we don't have to tell anyone a damn thing about what goes on in these meetings' (see my signature once again).

When I attended these meetings; you couldn't get the average attendee to speak beyond business that was 3 months old...let alone speak to any subject sprung upon him/her that night and requiring immediate rebuttal.(getting rid of the stenographer; less meetings over longer periods of time with no talk of timelines for re-instatement cost review; the DNR insisting that certain people weren't eligible to aplly for the board (then reversing themselves after they were caught), etc.

These things have been goat rodeos for decades....and the level/quality of organization in this state vs others just magnifies that fact.

 

well we've already heard how Muddy feels concerning the fact that 'we don't have to tell anyone a damn thing about who brings those weenies

BB QUOTE*
Yet if you just want to worry about who brings those weenies to that next 'big ride'... or just what the next club t-shirt or bumper stickers are going to look like, fine!
I'm John Stears from Kalamazoo, Michigan and am proud of it.