A Globle Issue ! Inconvenient Truth
#12
Originally posted by: SawHugger
The global warming issue is about one thing.
That thing is opposition to capitalism.
The global warming issue is about one thing.
That thing is opposition to capitalism.
You might add "envy". But even now, there are those (besides Gore) who want this as a way to profit--like selling emmission credits, research financing, and blackmail. These people are often liberals/socialists who don't realize how hypocritical they continue to be--even the notorious ACLU (you know, the Atrocious Communist Liberating Usurpers).
NLWarrior: Again I'll state that there is a big difference between using our history for 20 years, 50 years, or 100 years to extrapolate the future and ignore the last 11,000 years. What period of time do you think would be appropriate? As to my stating that the change "may or may not be happening", was mearly a polite way of trying to be somewhat non-judgemental in my response--besides that I've heard logical "facts" from both sides.
GJRonK
#13
That's fair enough GJ. I appreciate someone who looks at both sides and draws their own conclusions and/or opinions about an issue. For the record, I haven't said in here that the world is coming to an end, or anything remotely like it.
I do fear, as a parent, the world that my children will inherit from me, and I think that most parents are probably in the same set. Not all environmentally either .. there's drugs and violence and all those other social issues which, to me, are far more frightening.
Perhaps you're right and we're just in a particular cycle that has nothing to do with emmissions and rain forest destruction. I've also heard it said, that the trend which we are currently in, would continue unabated even if we stopped every negative thing we do to the environment right now.
What seems to me is there are two groups which are at the extreme: The enviro-wackos who predict doom and destruction because of our evil ways of burning fossil fuels, limbing forests and killing seals. Then there are those who don't give a damn if their actions ARE harming the environment, as long as they're having fun and their way of life is not being imminently impacted.
There seem to be very few people in the middle who want to strike a blance between progress and preservation, between quality of life and longevity.
I do fear, as a parent, the world that my children will inherit from me, and I think that most parents are probably in the same set. Not all environmentally either .. there's drugs and violence and all those other social issues which, to me, are far more frightening.
Perhaps you're right and we're just in a particular cycle that has nothing to do with emmissions and rain forest destruction. I've also heard it said, that the trend which we are currently in, would continue unabated even if we stopped every negative thing we do to the environment right now.
What seems to me is there are two groups which are at the extreme: The enviro-wackos who predict doom and destruction because of our evil ways of burning fossil fuels, limbing forests and killing seals. Then there are those who don't give a damn if their actions ARE harming the environment, as long as they're having fun and their way of life is not being imminently impacted.
There seem to be very few people in the middle who want to strike a blance between progress and preservation, between quality of life and longevity.
#15
Originally posted by: SawHugger
Our children and grandchildren will have much better prospects for a brighter future if liberalism does not prevail.
Our children and grandchildren will have much better prospects for a brighter future if liberalism does not prevail.
GJRonK
#18
J- there it is the truth in 2 little lines. It's so refreshing to hear the truth. We never get that from the wackos, somehow their able to use a few cherry picked stats, or even just a picture to take us from one earth shattering crisis to another.
#20
lol, I've also noticed that Minnesota is having unusually warm weather for this time of year with no snow, which always used to come by the end of October or earlier. This sucks, I like the snow. is it global warming caused by humans? maybe. Is it global warming caused by natural planet and star aging? maybe. Is it that the earths orbit is changing and when the northern hemispheres is experiencing winter, the earth is closer to the sun than previous years? maybe. All I know is that the temps and climate have been changing steadily over the years to a warmer climate for longer periods of time. We may be the cause, but we may not. I guess if we fry and use all the avalibe oil, then the world starts to become unlivable for humans and we become extinct; after that if the world starts to cool down, then it is safe to say it is us humans that where the cause of the global warming.
It is a fact that we will run out of oil if we keep using it at the rate we are, But people, including me, will continue to use oil. The sooner we run out, the sooner human population will curve off and we will be back to animal, wind, and water drawn buggies, plows, and machines. Then oil will start to be reproduced again in the ground over a very long time (I can't remember how long it takes to form oil, like millions or billions of years).
Any ways, this could be exactly what happens, My thoughts could be right, but they could be dead wrong too. There is some things that can be scientifically proven as fact, but global warming, while it can be proven, can not be proven as a fact that humans are completely responsable for it.
I say, as far as global warming and oil go, let's enjoy it well we got it
It is a fact that we will run out of oil if we keep using it at the rate we are, But people, including me, will continue to use oil. The sooner we run out, the sooner human population will curve off and we will be back to animal, wind, and water drawn buggies, plows, and machines. Then oil will start to be reproduced again in the ground over a very long time (I can't remember how long it takes to form oil, like millions or billions of years).
Any ways, this could be exactly what happens, My thoughts could be right, but they could be dead wrong too. There is some things that can be scientifically proven as fact, but global warming, while it can be proven, can not be proven as a fact that humans are completely responsable for it.
I say, as far as global warming and oil go, let's enjoy it well we got it


