Just wanted to add this since I saw something interesting on the tube tonight.

It seems that though it may not be precisely known if global warming is as largely created by the actions of man as some may believe it seems to be that there are many things happening with our world that do show there are changes happening.

These may be very serious, and some cause major loss of life like the tsunamis, hurricanes, and earthquakes that we all have seen on the news over the past so many years, but even if in the end we were to find that mans decisions and actions created, or just added to the problem it seems that there is little that would actually be done in time to make a difference even after such a thing would be proven if it is true.

Consider the economics, and how many govt's live and react to the problems of "today" and then add in how the US (and other countries) are not even directly involved on a intl level for dealing with or discussing the issue. Then I looked at what those who commented had to say, and how it directly effected the US consumer (mostly auto related) and would be tearing more dollars from their incomes, but also totally ignored those corporations and industries that are producing the overwhelming majority of the pollutants that are thought to be at the root of the problem in the first place.

In other words if those who believe that and global changes or warming over time are the result of man made pollutants are correct then it will be a tough battle since its obvious the real needed changes in industry (everything from plastics, rubber, electicity, paper, oil refining, and a host of others) will most likely not take place, and the govt will just look to once again tax and penalize the citizens who dont have the lobby power or potential future political donations.

Until this changes it doesnt really seem to matter which side of the fence you stand on because money and greed seem to continue to control, and we as everyday people couldnt cause enough change on our own if we wanted to, and the changes (if you believe these changes would make a difference, or if there is even a problem in the first place) needed would either not be coming, or would be too late to make a difference.

 

Let me see if I can follow the logic of the global warming crowd.

Here are the points I get:

All automobiles (except those belonging to the privileged elite) should be taken out of service, smashed, melted down and made into Toyota Prius

All ATVs should be eliminated because they destroy the environment which helps cool the earth and they burn fuel

All power plants that burn coal or natural gas should be taxed more then shut down (don't dare suggest replacing them with nuclear power plants)

The big oil and coal mining companies should be taxed, shut down and their managers thrown in jail

Trucks and trains should be taxed more then eliminated

All large corporations that develop and produce the things that the peons of the world flock to Wal-Mart to purchase should be taxed then shut down

Wal-Mart should be taxed then shut down

All the above dis-placed workers should be entitled to government subsidies and free health care

The cutting of trees for lumber, clearing land or gathering and burning of firewood should stop

Farmers should stop growing vast fields of crops

All animals like cattle and buffalo that eat grass and produce methane should be eliminated

All people should become vegetarians

The U. S, Military should be dis-banded

The U. S. government should turn it's self over to the United Nations




If we will just do all of these things and sign the Keoto treaty then the world will freeze solid in 100 years.

Also earthquakes that cause tsunamis will stop

Bush sucks


Did I miss anything?

 

The only potential scientific problem I can see with the above is that if all seven billion people in the world become vegetarians they will pass more gas and the Antarctic ice cap will melt after all.

 

Originally posted by SawHugger: Let me see if I can follow the logic of the global warming fanatics. Here are the points I get:

All automobiles (except those belonging to the priviliged elite) should be taken out of service, smashed, melted down and made into Toyota Prius
All ATVs should be eliminated because they destroy the environment which helps cool the earth and they burn fuel
All power plants that burn coal or natural gas should be taxed more then shut down (don't dare suggest replacing them with nuclear power plants)
The big oil companies should be taxed, shut down and their managers thrown in jail
Trucks and trains should be taxed more then eliminated
All large corporations that develop and produce the things that the peons of the world flock to Wal-Mart to purchase should be taxed then shut down
Wal-Mart should be taxed then shut down
The U. S, Military should be dis-banded
All the above dis-placed workers should be entitled to government subsidies and free health care
The U. S. government should turn it's self over to the United Nations
All animals such as cattle, hogs and buffalo that eat grass or corn or other vegitable matter should be eliminated
All people should become vegitarians
Farmers should stop growing vast fields of crops
If we just do all of these things and sign the Keoto treaty the world will freeze solid in 100 years.
Let me add that earthquakes that cause tsunamis will also stop.


Thats a pretty good annalist of liberals. I?d like to point out however, that some of this is already happening. The UN already owns parts of the US such as Yellowstone, since it is a ?global? asset. If you think I am wrong go ahead and do your own research.

 

Sawhugger pretty precise listing on the global warming crowd .one thing about ATVs thou is they don't want anybody to go into the forests .well maybe on foot .so the animals are not disturbed .
Oh yea one more thing all humans should die so mother earth can return herself back to her pristine self , with Volcanos belching green house gases ,and earth quacks destroying the lands ,and our old friend the tsunami whioing the shore lines clear

 

OMG!!!! You didn't leave the beer out there on the lawn too did you?

 

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We all (I HOPE) realize by now that this whole situation is strictly a political scheme devised by those who wish to punish the USA for being successful. I mean, consider, the Kyoto Accords allow China and India (with others) to not have any consequenses for any emissions as they are "underdeveloped countries" that need special concessions. It makes sense to not force China to have to adhere to anything since they wouldn't anyway, and then the rest of the world doesn't have to feel defeated.

There is now a big, growing market to sell/trade credits for not producing harmful emissions so that one company can sell their credits to another so they can pollute more. As I understand it, Company A has 10 credits and pollutes only 5 credits worth. Company B has 10 credits and pollutes 15 credits worth. So if A sells B, 5 credits, then B can pollute it's full 15 credits since it bought the rights to do so. Well, now, that sure keeps the polution down, doesn't it? No wonder I never made it big in business--I never came up with schemes like that. (A little aside here, remember when the Democrats castigated President Bush for his "scheme" to let people have a small portion of their Social Security money directed to investments they wanted? Remember? These are the same kind of people who don't apparently consider the emission credit stuff a "scheme". Figure that out!)

GJRonK

 

Nice point there GJRonK ,I've know that for a while

 

Interesting points.

I especially like the credits scheme as it is almost identical to the one used around here that allows developers, land owners, and political types etc to make millions or more trading off these credits for land use and purchases within the pinelands preservation area here (one of the only remaining undeveloped or underdeveloped areas left in this corrupt state).

I am sure that international or national systems would be as hypocritical as the ones here on a state level. I mean in how its perfectly acceptable to those who stand up for the environment and push all this in the first place to see things manipulated to allow development within a restricted area, and a select few making fortunes from state programs filled with tax payer dollars, and how all is well as long as the dreaded off road rider is kept out and legislated to be a criminal.

All I can suggest to everyone is to look at the model for pollution, corruption, and grand schemes (good ole NJ) and see just how well these liberals (and even many conservatives too) can play the system, and how in the end nothing is sacred except the dollar. If the obvious errors of this place are not lesson enough then I can not think of what in the world would prepare the rest of the country to prevent it from happening all over, but it seems so many have chosen sides (dem or rep) that reality, and common sense has taken a back seat to rallying behind your team.

Seems were dooomed

 

Pardon me if these points have been previously made. I did not read every post.

1. AlGore is a wack-a-doo.

2. AlGore is a nut job.

3. AlGore is loony tunes.

and 4. AlGore is crazy.

Just another do-gooder democrat/socialist/communist scheme to tax you into subservience. Bend over. Take it with a smile. Don't forget to thank them after they f*** you up one side and down the other.