I find it amazing that most of the people that I talk to are conservatives, and yet these liberal's still win elections? I don't get it. I think that people must be talking a conservative line and voting liberal. "Closet" liberals. This probably isn't the place to be griping about the government, but at some point we as a nation are going to have to pull together and get rid of these people that believe in Santa Claus. If you look at this country as a whole it appears to me that those who are not productive, (politicians) are calling the shots for those of us who work our butts off to provide for those who do not. I would love to see a third party movement that was totally dedicated to CONSERVATIVE priciples. I am not talking about the Republicans either, they have moved too far to the left in my view.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: cody700

I find it amazing that most of the people that I talk to are conservatives, and yet these liberal's still win elections? I don't get it. I think that people must be talking a conservative line and voting liberal. "Closet" liberals. This probably isn't the place to be griping about the government, but at some point we as a nation are going to have to pull together and get rid of these people that believe in Santa Claus. If you look at this country as a whole it appears to me that those who are not productive, (politicians) are calling the shots for those of us who work our butts off to provide for those who do not. I would love to see a third party movement that was totally dedicated to CONSERVATIVE priciples. I am not talking about the Republicans either, they have moved too far to the left in my view.</end quote></div>

 

Darn, I gotta figure out how to add the quote I'm answering to my reply! Sorry. Anyway, probably the reason most people you talk to are conservatives is that you share common interests. Quads, outdoors, maybe hunting and fishing. The people who put all these liberals in office are more interested in stopping all our fun. Environmental extremists, animal rights wackos, anti-gunners, and people who think the Democrats will help them keep a job and make more money if they control the government. That is why liberal talk radio doesn't work. The people who share the liberal ideas are more interested in listening to Bob and Tom, Gratefull Dead, Rap, Hip Hop etc. I have nothing against any music, I like a lot of it myself, but I also want to keep informed on things effecting my life and this country.
Maybe I shouldn't have started this topic here, I was just wondering about the 25 million. We might need a forum just for political topics.

 

A big problem is how many people are either working for the government or receiving aid from the government. The last I read is that the number is around 40%. That alone means an uphill battle for a conservative. I agree with Cody about the third party idea except it hasn't really worked here. My local State Rep. is an extremely conservative Democrat. He has been excellent. I told him that I am a Republican that votes for him because he is more conservative than the brand of Republicans we have up here in New England. RINO (Republican In Name Only). Oh, in the future, don't believe Mitt Romney when he comes off as a conservative. He introduced Massachusetts to covering everyone that didn't have health insurance. It's around $500 million in the red already. He also did not fight the Gay Marriage until he decided to run for President. By the time he got going on it, it was too late.

 

An interesting point I read in our local newspaper concerned the fact that WWII and not the government's New Deal "stimulous package" pulled us out of the Great Depression. The writer pointed out that the war was the biggest government spending package in history up till now. The writer suggested that we now have the same level of government spending, but without the war. Since it worked in the past, it should work now.

A big problem I have with that is that our government can't even conduct wars effectively any more. So, what worked in the past probably wouldn't work today.

 

you know, that third party you guys are talking about already exists, its the libertarian party..... ive talked to so many people who call themselves republicans, and right wing type people, and they talk about things that the republican party no longer stands for. look at the last two republican presidents weve had, marked by big government, big spending, and fiscally irresponsible accounting, along with erosion of civil liberties. in many ways, the same things the democratic party does. the GOP and the democrats talk like polar opposites, but in practice do the same things (just use different reasons for the propoganda). conservatives: you may infact be libertarians!

 

At least Bush 2 cut some taxes and appointed Constitutional Judges instead of judicial activists.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: chemikaldreem

you know, that third party you guys are talking about already exists, its the libertarian party..... ive talked to so many people who call themselves republicans, and right wing type people, and they talk about things that the republican party no longer stands for. look at the last two republican presidents weve had, marked by big government, big spending, and fiscally irresponsible accounting, along with erosion of civil liberties. in many ways, the same things the democratic party does. the GOP and the democrats talk like polar opposites, but in practice do the same things (just use different reasons for the propoganda). conservatives: you may infact be libertarians!</end quote></div>

Actually, the Constitution Party is more in tune to what we need. What a unique idea. Run the government as the founding fathers INTENDED it to operate!!!!!!

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: chemikaldreem

you know, that third party you guys are talking about already exists, its the libertarian party.</end quote></div>

I vote Libertarian whenever I have the chance. I voted Republican in the primaries but only to vote for Ron Paul. By the way, Ron Paul was the only candidate to predict the economic difficulties we're having now. None of the candidates on either side did and neither did crazy old John McCain or Obama.

Republicans held their annual CPAC shindig a few days ago and voted for their preference for candidates. The poll marked the third consecutive year Romney came out on top. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal placed second in the annual poll. Romney received 20 percent of the vote and Jindal got 14 percent. Close behind were Texas Rep. Ron Paul and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who each received 13 percent of the vote.

When 87% of the ostensibly conservative wing of the party concerned with smaller government and Liberty vote for people like the above then it is apparent they've lost their way and the party is beyond saving.

The only way people who desire smaller government constrained by the limits of the Constitution and who value their Liberty and Freedom could in clear conscience vote republican in 2012 would be if they nominate Paul and Palin to run in 2012. I just don't see the party doing that. No, they'll continue to live up to their reputation as "The Stupid Party".

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MooseHenden

At least Bush 2 cut some taxes and appointed Constitutional Judges instead of judicial activists.</end quote></div>

He did no such thing. His judge choices have been a bitter disappointment for those concerned with Liberty and Constitutionally restrained government. They shifted the court far to the left and their decisions have been in direct opposition the the constructionist view of the Constitution.

As for Bush he has been one of the worst presidents in history. He ranks right up there with Wilson and FDR as horrible presidents. He grew the size of government more and was more hostile and damaging to Liberty than almost any President in recent memory. A terrible, dangerous President.

 

It would have been far worse with John Kerry or Al Gore. They would have sent us in the direction Obama is now. There would have been a 12 year head start for the liberals on what they are going to try now that they hold both houses and the Presidency. Bush didn't clamp down on 1st Amendment rights. The folks in power now want to reinstitute the "Fairness Doctrine", which should be read as a liberal Democrat saying, "you can stay on the air as long as you agree with me". Bush was decent on the 2nd Amendment also. Going after a thug that had 160 metric tons of yellow cake uranium, that could be turned into many nuclear warheads, wasn't a bad thing either. We, and the world, are better off without Hussein in power. If the military can keep the terrorists on the run, good. It could have been far worse. That being said, other than the military, the spending was and will now get further out of control. Last time I read the Constitution and Bill of Rights it only spoke of taxation for having a standing military. And, before anyone gets on me, I vote for the person who most closely reflects my beliefs and stands. I've voted for a conservative local Democrat Representative (state office) as he votes 99% of the time like I would like him to. He is more conservative than the Republicans here in Mass. By the way, Mitt Romney is no conservative. He could have fought the gay marriage crowd here in Mass. but didn't for the first couple of years until he decided to run for the Presidency. He also instituted mandatory health care for all that has the government sending letters to people telling them they will have the funds taken out of their tax returns if they don't have insurance. The program is several million in the hole already.