What the he-- is going on with the poor,poor speaker Pelosi saying that everyone but her are liars about the water boarding issue? The CIA isn't telling the truth, her fellow congressmen arn't telling the truth, and George Bush and Dick Cheney are liars too! SHE was never breifed on the issue whatsoever, or her aids did'nt tell her what she is in office to know about! Poor,Poor, Nancy!
Who is the Liar?!
As far as water boarding goes, if we get the information we need to save American lives, then it's worth it! Don't spare the water! The first time we don't get the information we need and we are attacked again in America, they will be crying " Why didn't we do something to stop them!"
This is what we get for electing Democratic liberals into power! Bleeding heart liberal women are the worst! They are all MARSHMELLOWS!

Then there is Obama himself, he's at it again! In the town hall meeting he held yesterday he was pushing for fiscal conservitism. Who is the one that has put America in debt further than any other President in history(in his first 100 days) and spent more money than ALL of the former Presidents COMBINED? OBAMA!! What a bunch of liars and PHONY'S!!
Fair weather polititans.

 

I sure didn't vote for them...

 

Waterboarding is torture. Torture is illegal. Period. After WWII people were tired, found guilty and jailed for it. So if the cops beat people for confessions, that OK with you. It's interesting that the flag pin wearing folks promote these illegal activities now and degrade our nation; yet are always claiming "ours is a country of laws".....excpect when THEY feel it's OK to break those laws. We'll see how much real information was derived from the torture soon enough, and we can have this conversation again. Conservatives seem to be a confused on this matter. As I've said before in these types of posts, you can't have it both ways flag wavers. Either you believe in the laws of this nation, or you don't. Waterboarding prisoners is illegal.

And God help the "liberals" against the right wing if they were involved with torture.....They would be putting our troops at risk for possible future waterboardings. How could they do this to our brave troops abroad! Given Dick Cheney's wet dream of torturing people, foreign nations have now been given the green light to waterboard our troops without any fear of being tried in international court for torture. Thanks for keeping the US safe Dick and breaking 60 years of work to defend our troops from being tortured when taken. You've increased the odds of US soldiers being tortured, not decreased.

Pelosi: So the CIA has a briefing about advanced tactics and nobody is allowed to take notes, except them and we're to believe without exception that an agency founded on lying wouldn't lie. Remember Iran-Contra and the CIA lying to Congress. Noooo, they wouldn't lie to Congress under a Bush administration. -Who knows what Polesi was told, and who cares what she was told anyway. She was in the minority and it was classified information. You can't speak of it. What could anybody say, it's highly classified information. Just being invited to hear this information sets a trap of knowledge. They know what they're doing to protect themselves....they're the CIA, and something like 60% of the them have Phds. Nobody will ever know what was said at these meetings. One could guess and make claims all day. -If she OKed or voted yes on waterboading, then I'd care.

Pelosi trivia: Did you know she's a Billionaire. Pretty sure she the richest women in California.

Hey, one of your radio guys Micahel Savage is asking the horrible wench Hillary Clinton to get him into Great Britain now; since he's been banned for hate speech. Didn't he call her a **** and a Communist and whole slew of foul descriptions? What a washed up fool asking her for help now. It's pathetic.

http://www.mercurynews.com/nationworld/ci_12372150

 

Conservatives, are, in general , NOT confused about whether or not waterboarding is "torture", liberals seem to have the same opinion, YES it is!
But the difference is whether or not it should be used to protect our citizens from attacks from terrorists.
Some of our elite service personnel are waterboarded as part of their training.
The after effects from waterboarding are embarrassing at most, while the effects of the torture some other country's use can cause damage both physically and mentally.
Lets take a look at a scenario that could be real, Your family and friends all live in Smalltown, USA, and you have received confirmed intelligence that a terrorist org. is going to attack Smalltown USA, very soon! Evacuation in not an option but you have taken one of the terrorists into captivity and need to find out from him what their plans are so you can stop it! Are you going to ask him politly to please tell you what their plans are, or are you going to use waterboarding to get the information you need so your family and friends can live and not be killed by these terrorist thugs?
Easy question, save your family and friends lives or treat the terrorist with kindness and respect?
The clock is ticking!!!!
I feel sorry for you if Nancy Pelosi is the one making that call!

Lets be real! Waterboarding is not pleasent but if it can be used to get information we as a country need to protect ourselves then it should be used, but used wisely. JMO!

 

Ranch:

I can understand your point on a certain level. I'm not disagreeing with you just to counter, or for the sake of argument.....But the issue comes down to the following IMO:

Waterboarding is specifically banned in the Geneva Conventions. The general provisions can be read here Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War -No lawyer who writes an opinion is going to change that fact. The FBI backed out when the CIA started waterboarding. They understood this was heading in a really bad direction.

Testimony in Congress last week showed that they got the information they needed without resorting to torture and that when tortured the individual just spewed anything to make it stop. I think that when this all comes out, you'll find that the torture provided little to nothing positive, but a big black eye for the USA. This is real with real consequences for US soldiers abroad, not a Jack Bauer fantasy world. It's sad that we've lost the moral high ground on this matter.

Think about this fact from a financial standpoint: The publicly known budget for the CIA is roughly 30 Billion annually; which is approved by those awful Liberals. If the CIA's only method of gaining intelligence is through means of torture, then we're getting ripped off as tax payers! 30 Billion dollars a year (in known expenditures) and we're resorting to a canteen and strapping somebody to a table It's an outrage and extremely self defeating on the CIAs part, if you ask me.

Don't forget where the Right stands on torture going forward (not everybody mind you, but the vast majority it seems). In future conflicts where our solders are taken captive; don't forget where you stood on the issue in 2009. The Right defends it and promotes it as a viable option for US intelligence gathering.

 

Ranch...I'll give you that. Have you ever noticed the size of NP's marshmallows......Those things are absolutely huge...she's got to be a 38 DDD! She tries to hide them under loose fitting cloths.

 

Um, I seem to recall that if the terrorists had a captive soldier and they had the time available, they beheaded soldiers. That's permanent. Waterboarding is not. It is scary from the demonstrations I've seen but not permanent. I believe this technique was used on the terrorist behind the first World Trade Center and there were subsequent captures of other terrorists. At the time, waterboarding was not considered torture. I have not been able to find a definitive number but hundreds of terrorists have been killed or captured. That's not a bad thing. The only thing the terrorists understand is shear force being used against them. They don't fear boycotts, bad press, whining politcians, etc. They only fear force.

 

I'm not POSITIVE but I think that the Geneva convention only applies to Nations and their army's. These are terrorists, they don't fall into that category. IMO.

 

Pelosi Blows Goats.

At war time, beat them, drown them, torture them to death "next". Its war get over it.

Pussies please sit in the back.

 

I say you get to treat the prisoners you take in the same fashion they treat the soldiers they have taken.