Too much power??
Nov 29, 2007 | 11:14 AM
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Too much power??
Most states imply a 800cc limit on state and federal trails. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Nov 29, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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Too much power??
I don't think ATVs or UTVs are even close to being too powerful at this stage of the game. The manufacturers are still running scared from the three wheeler lawsuit days of the 1980s, and are being very conservative with ATVs compared to pretty much any other form of motorsports you compare them to. Even at the 1000cc engine size they are still way behind. How much power does the Thundercat make? I've heard it is somewhere in the 70s. Seventy horsepower for something that weighs 750 lbs is definitely not too powerful, ... not even close.
Take a look at other forms of motorsports. You can buy a 250 horsepower supercharged Kawasaki Jet Ski that cost less money than a Yamaha Rhino that has 23 horsepower. You can buy a Yamaha R-1 that goes 215 mph, stock, right off the showroom floor. You can buy a Kawasaki ZX-14 that will go 120 mph in second gear. You can buy snowmobiles with over a hundred horsepower more than the Thundercat.
ATVs are still way behind in the performance dept. Maybe in another two decades we can start to wonder if they have too much power, but we're along way from that right now.
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Take a look at other forms of motorsports. You can buy a 250 horsepower supercharged Kawasaki Jet Ski that cost less money than a Yamaha Rhino that has 23 horsepower. You can buy a Yamaha R-1 that goes 215 mph, stock, right off the showroom floor. You can buy a Kawasaki ZX-14 that will go 120 mph in second gear. You can buy snowmobiles with over a hundred horsepower more than the Thundercat.
ATVs are still way behind in the performance dept. Maybe in another two decades we can start to wonder if they have too much power, but we're along way from that right now.
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Nov 29, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Too much power??
I don't understand why everyone wants so much power off the floor, with the exception of wide open places in straight lines, a light weight and potent machine like a 450 will smoke a heavy 100 horse power monster.
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Nov 29, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: SBuckJ
newMy only problem with the "bigger" ATV is the physical size. At what point will they become too large for some of the trails we have now and trails around existing trails will be made. More fodder for the environmentalists along with some landowners that now allow ATV's and yet don't want more property used up.
Buck</end quote></div>
newMy only problem with the "bigger" ATV is the physical size. At what point will they become too large for some of the trails we have now and trails around existing trails will be made. More fodder for the environmentalists along with some landowners that now allow ATV's and yet don't want more property used up.
Buck</end quote></div>
Nov 29, 2007 | 04:28 PM
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Too much power??
Thats definitely a problem with utility ATVs, every time they make one with a bigger engine they also make the ATV bigger. They're already too big. A Grizzly 450 sized ATV with a 950 v-twin under the hood would be much better.
ATVs don't measure up when it comes to dollars per horsepower. I owned a YFZ 450 and a YZ 450F last year, and after a month of riding the YZ 450F the YFZ 450 felt slow when I got back on it again. It wasn't just the extra 125 lbs it weighed, the engine is in a lower state of tune. Just like the 1 liter Thundercat motor makes a hundred horsepower less than a 1 liter snowmobile motor. We get jipped in the horsepower department with ATVs. Its silly to start worrying about "too much horsepower" with ATVs, because we're not there yet. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
ATVs don't measure up when it comes to dollars per horsepower. I owned a YFZ 450 and a YZ 450F last year, and after a month of riding the YZ 450F the YFZ 450 felt slow when I got back on it again. It wasn't just the extra 125 lbs it weighed, the engine is in a lower state of tune. Just like the 1 liter Thundercat motor makes a hundred horsepower less than a 1 liter snowmobile motor. We get jipped in the horsepower department with ATVs. Its silly to start worrying about "too much horsepower" with ATVs, because we're not there yet. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Nov 29, 2007 | 05:05 PM
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Too much power??
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DesertViper
Thats definitely a problem with utility ATVs, every time they make one with a bigger engine they also make the ATV bigger. They're already too big. A Grizzly 450 sized ATV with a 950 v-twin under the hood would be much better.
I agree. The 450 Kodiak I had did everything my 700 will do on the trails, especially the tighter ones, and it felt more comfortable doing it. That's one reason I went with the King. It is smaller than other quads in it's class but has the HP. Heck, if it wasn't for that one BF 650 riding with us and getting thru the snow so much easier, I probably wouldn't have went with the 700. Had to keep up with the Joneses. Problem is even now, the 700 sometimes has more power than I should have[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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Thats definitely a problem with utility ATVs, every time they make one with a bigger engine they also make the ATV bigger. They're already too big. A Grizzly 450 sized ATV with a 950 v-twin under the hood would be much better.
I agree. The 450 Kodiak I had did everything my 700 will do on the trails, especially the tighter ones, and it felt more comfortable doing it. That's one reason I went with the King. It is smaller than other quads in it's class but has the HP. Heck, if it wasn't for that one BF 650 riding with us and getting thru the snow so much easier, I probably wouldn't have went with the 700. Had to keep up with the Joneses. Problem is even now, the 700 sometimes has more power than I should have[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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