MNT,

Your right I don't get what your saying. I don't care what the public thinks of me doing a perfectly legal activity.

And again your throwing stones, you say you've taken your kids for a spin on the quad, what's the diffence between you saying it and beckstrom saying it.

I agree our sport is in jeopardy, but not from people driving 2-up. It's from the morons driving without safty equipment, drinking and driving, littering and tearing up the land.

I also agree with your saying if you don't condone something you don't do it, however, because YOU do not condone something doesn't in any way, shape or form mean I can't do it.

Why shouldn't we publish stuff that isn't acceptable to the public, do you know how many people have died to protect your right to do that.

I don't think you understand the implications of your statements, your basicly saying if it's unacceptable we should keep it hush, hush, because we don't want the public to look down on us. This flys in the face of what it means to be an american.

 

No...I disagree....what I do does not make the sport look bad.
I've been riding safely for over 15 years.
I do not make a habit of trailriding with a passenger. It's just not fun for me.
But to spend valuable time ragging on a 3 paragraph story is worthless in my eyes.
I take it when you were younger (though not sure of your age), you have never been pulled behind a wheeler on a sled? or took your kids for a ride?
How many times have you pulled the wheeler out of the garage without a helmet? Do you wear sneakers when you ride? You get my point?
That little story will have no impact on your ability to ride your quad.
I'm not going to go on about this...How funny.
Go outside right now...and have some fun on your quad. You need it.

 

You're correct on the publisher's choice, QAMudder; however, I find some paradox in an organ "influential" in ATVing promoting practices the industry discourages and many states deem illegal (underage riding and double riding).

If ATV Connection influences the sport, QAMudder, does that influence extend to promoting under-age and double riding, contrary to ATV Safety Institute and ATV industry guidance? Why not advocate no helmets? Drinking and drugging and driving (riding)? Highway riding and railroad right-of-way trespassing? How about publicizing some really gory ATV accidents as fodder for the product liability and personal injury lawsuit lawyers who would destroy ATVing?

Does underage riding exist? Sure. Same for double riding. But why give the enemies of ATVing ammunition to use against us by publicly promoting these practices?

You won't see a picture of a rider without a helmet on the ATV Connection, nor will you read a story of a blood-and-guts accident, protecting the "image" of ATVing. Why is an exception justified for an ATV Connection management family member, underage and riding double?

If the ATV Connection believes age limits should be removed and double riding permitted, they have every right to say so, whether the ATV Safety Institute and ATV manufacturers agree or not. Maybe, though, the ATV Safety Institute and the ATV manufacturers deserve some attention, lest the quad go the way of the three-wheeler (remember the Consent Decree?).

Diogenes

 

Hey, I made an observation and you guys are the ones that need to go for a ride.

K9 and Jim,
I'm sure you guys to ride legal and safe. In some, probably most, states, it's illegal to ride 2-up.

It's hard writing what a person's trying to explain. Diogenes has got the grasp of what I mean.

QAMudder,
I don't care who owns the site or print magazine. Let's request ever ATV publication to run photos of us having fun, safely, but ripping up the land, legally even. Let's see how far that'd get our sport.

 

I am not gonna bash anyone on this thread. I just thought that you guys might be interested to know some of this information.

In New York State, anyone can drive any quad. If it is a child under 16, they must be supervised by an adult, if they go on a trail, or possesses a valid atv training course certificate. If neither one of these applies, he/she may still ride the quad alone, but it must be on private property. Then, if you are older then 16, you do not have to be supervised of course, or possess a valid atv training course certificate.

In New York State, it is not illegal to ride two up, as long as there is some form of backrest for the passenger.

All atvs to be ridden in New York State, are to registered, whether they are driven on public land, or be it private land.

 

Diogenes,
explanation best discribes MNYs point for this topic,and some of you guys are just not getting it!

ATV Connection supports ''SAFE'' and ''RESPONSABLE'' use of ATVs.There is ''NO'' place for publishing 2-up on a ATV by any member of the Connection staff.

Forum user's,whether veiwed right or wrong,is only his/her opionion and should be taken as such,however,the Connection clearly states that they do NOT recommend or endorse riding double, but than post that they did anyway.

I have my own veiws on doubling up on an ATV.Because of my involvement with the safety aspect of ATVing and what I have been instructed to teach and practice,im limited to MY own personal veiws and how I represent them.It would be wise for the Connection to abide by these standards to!
Bill

 

the manufacturers make the label on the quads about no 2-up riding, if we obeyed all thw warning labels on the quads, i guess we wouldnt be racing, or adding aftermarket parts, supposedly, our quads are to remain stock, not altered in any way, not intended for performing wheelies, jumps, or other stunts..... let it go people, the guy did something fun with his daughter, leave it be

 

Bill, I appreciate your professional and responsible approach to ATV safety.

Your ATV Rider Safety Course students are fortunate to have you for an instructor, because you take your job and ATV Safety seriously. I'd recommend your course to a friend or family member; that's the highest compliment I can pay.

Your integrity, supporting all safety rules, helps insure they are followed.

Will all follow all rules all the time? Certainly not. However, flaunting disregard of some rules will not enhance compliance with any. I'm glad you understand this point I made about the article.

Diogenes

 

When I bought our Warriors, the dealership wouldn't release them without us signing a disclaimer that stated that we would NOT do wheelies, jump, race, etc... Yeah, I signed it.

Do I ride 2up? yep. I don't believe in it, and only do it under certain circumstances. I take my nephews and nieces for rides, only with them wearing a helmet, and I'm traveling at a snails pace. It is explained to them, the imprtance of safety. They are only to ride if they are in long pants, in a helmet, and holding on to myself or my wife firmly. We, as responsible drivers, don't go jumping, or hauling ***.

 

Ok this is really from a childs point of view me being 11 years old and owning a 250EX. Riding 2 up is not illigel riding under age is not illigel because they recommend that recommend does not mean a law. And stop ragging on lawyers my dad is a lawyer he bought me that 250EX he rides it I ride 2 up and I'm 11 but thetres no law saying I can't on my property or on a trail. Anyways I have a license on my quad and no one can stop me from riding my quad!!!