dream quad
Apr 15, 2001 | 03:19 PM
#14
Pro Rider
Joined: Apr 2000
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xepathfinder you are on the right track. Great minds and all that. Four wheel independent suspension is so obviously better, even for sport, dare I say it? even RACE QUADS. Look, for those of you stuck in the dark ages with flathead fords and live axles, just look at every form of 4-wheel racing in existance. Even non-off road
vehicles benefit greatly from reduced unsprung weight. For those of you out there who do not understand this concept, go look it up before making an ignorant reply. It is just soo simple.
It is the same principle of physics, inertia, reciprocating mass, that makes multiple, lighter valves work so well on 4-stroke cylinder heads.
The only advantage to swing arm solid axles on quads is they are simple, cheap, easy to manufacture, easy to change gearing, and they have the ATV population buffaloed into thinking they are the right way to go.
Stadium ultralights could not do what they do without independent rear suspensions. nor could Indy cars, Formula anything, Baja Buggies, etc. etc. It does not have to be heavy or expensive, merely mass procuced, like a Sportsman. which is a good example of how it doesn't cost more. And that weight is a Polaris trademark.hah.
My new DS could soo benefit from independent suspension. That heavy solid rear axle bounces where the Sportsman wheels stay on the ground, following every bump up and down, maintaining traction. Reciprocating Mass. The lighter the "unsprung" weight, the easier it is for the tire wheel assembly and whatever is attached to it, to follow those irregularities in the road, track or trail. Anti-sway bars deal with body roll (unless it is an Arctic Cat).
Power is achieved, finally, with these new 650's. The Sportsman H.O. power is so dissapointing.
Weight is the enemy of everything we do on ATV's except tug of war. But the suspension better be right because that is more important than weight.
Polaris knows this well. They forego weight considerations and concentrate on suspension and handling, which is why they are so much fun to ride.
I want it all, Power, fully independent suspension, great handling, light weight, all in an affordable package. Don't say it can't be done. It can. If we bitch enough, they will come around. Of course a few well publicized "project quads" would help. Like a Raptor with a Sportsman chaincase and rear end. Or a Bombardier DS with a 425 Magnum chain driven front axle in the rear of the DS....Or a trick rear axle with half-shafts that fits the existing swing arm, and a bolt on set of struts that immobilizes that swing arm and supports a set of double A-arms....
Oh and hey XEPATHFINDER, look what I just bought!!
vehicles benefit greatly from reduced unsprung weight. For those of you out there who do not understand this concept, go look it up before making an ignorant reply. It is just soo simple.
It is the same principle of physics, inertia, reciprocating mass, that makes multiple, lighter valves work so well on 4-stroke cylinder heads.
The only advantage to swing arm solid axles on quads is they are simple, cheap, easy to manufacture, easy to change gearing, and they have the ATV population buffaloed into thinking they are the right way to go.
Stadium ultralights could not do what they do without independent rear suspensions. nor could Indy cars, Formula anything, Baja Buggies, etc. etc. It does not have to be heavy or expensive, merely mass procuced, like a Sportsman. which is a good example of how it doesn't cost more. And that weight is a Polaris trademark.hah.
My new DS could soo benefit from independent suspension. That heavy solid rear axle bounces where the Sportsman wheels stay on the ground, following every bump up and down, maintaining traction. Reciprocating Mass. The lighter the "unsprung" weight, the easier it is for the tire wheel assembly and whatever is attached to it, to follow those irregularities in the road, track or trail. Anti-sway bars deal with body roll (unless it is an Arctic Cat).
Power is achieved, finally, with these new 650's. The Sportsman H.O. power is so dissapointing.
Weight is the enemy of everything we do on ATV's except tug of war. But the suspension better be right because that is more important than weight.
Polaris knows this well. They forego weight considerations and concentrate on suspension and handling, which is why they are so much fun to ride.
I want it all, Power, fully independent suspension, great handling, light weight, all in an affordable package. Don't say it can't be done. It can. If we bitch enough, they will come around. Of course a few well publicized "project quads" would help. Like a Raptor with a Sportsman chaincase and rear end. Or a Bombardier DS with a 425 Magnum chain driven front axle in the rear of the DS....Or a trick rear axle with half-shafts that fits the existing swing arm, and a bolt on set of struts that immobilizes that swing arm and supports a set of double A-arms....
Oh and hey XEPATHFINDER, look what I just bought!!
Apr 15, 2001 | 03:42 PM
#15
Trailblazer
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 61
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Realisticly speaking I would have 2002 sp 700 with K&N filter and charger, HO carb, 27" Vampires all around, double pipes, heated grips, Nitro (yeah right, that's the unrealistic part)
Warn 2500 lbs winch and lift kit.
Warn 2500 lbs winch and lift kit.
Apr 15, 2001 | 06:51 PM
#16
Pro Rider
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 375
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scrambler 400 engine (piped, big carb, k&n, rejeted) with a manual clutch and tranny, in a cannondale frame. use yellow 400ex plastic with one industries graphics. seperate front and rear breaks, and razr's on honda aluminum rims or renforced douglas's all around. renthal handle bars, ac racing front bumper. set of turf tamers and a set of black waters for the rear. +1 a-arms, an adjustible width axle, and a +1 swing arm. remove the oil injection and electric start, and give it kick start. lastly, a gas station that sold pre mixed race gas for only $.25 a gallon.
