I have two 05 KingQuads and have been watching what people have to say about the air filter problem going on, resulting in smoking kings. Now my kings don’t smoke yet (nock on wood) but I do have some interesting photos of the filter problem that both my Kings are experiencing. Both kings have between 214-220 miles (41-43hrs) I put new air filters in before I went Elk hunting on Nov-5 in Colorado. During the after hunt cleaning I pulled the air filters and found all kinds of dust/dirt inside the filter and down the air intake. I ripped up an old T-shirt and tied it to the end of a long piece of wood and wiped down the valve. Just look at all the dirt that was wiped off that valve. Look at the dirt buildup on the gold colored butterfly valve. This is just from one hunting trip “3 days of use” put about 35 miles each on the quads with a new factory filter. My yellow King was a lot worse with dirt than the photos I have of the Red quad. Let me know what you think. Photo link below.

http://photos.yahoo.com/tmitchell403

 

Yea that cant be good ,I am a little worried about my griz, I am blowing a little blue smoke on start up then it goes away , I do not see it after warm up maybe sticky rings I hope thats all , I do have a k&n air filter on and have had probs. with it not fitting right,I will look to see if my Griz carb is dirty like that, I hope it all works out for all you KING owners, I think it is a sharp quad.

 

4spinning, thanks for sharing the photo's. Can you tell me if the filters were seated well or does it look like it was coming through the paper? Have you tried any tests with the filter?

Thanks, Burke

 

Gosh, with butterflies that are that dirty, I hate to think of how much debris made it into the cylender. It's difficult for me to envision a new air filter allowing that much debris through it. The filter should have plugged up first, resulting in poor engine performance. My bet is that air is bypassing the filter somewhere.

Let us know what you find!

 

Kingme,

I am very confident that the filter had a good seal because when I removed the air filter I could see a clean seal ring on the bottom where the filter seals against, and on the top seal I could see a small indentation in the middle of the form seal that’s embedded in that plastic lib that’s on the top of the filter. In my opinion this dust/dirt is coming through the paper filter. I’m going to order a Uni filter to see if it makes much difference. To me this sure seems to be an excessive amount of dirt/dust getting through for a new filter, and it seems to validate what other people are saying that are having smoking problems from the amount of dirt/dust intake they are getting.

 

I've said it before and will say it again: I highly doubt the dirt is coming through the paper. It has been proven over and over again paper is the best filtering method between paper, oiled foam, and K&N. It is also the most restrictive flow wise.

Now with all this filter talk I went out and took some pics of my filter. I have greased both foam seals and the sealing washer at the wing nut since new and the pictures prove the intake is clean. Note the grease mark at the bottom of the air box and the dirt in the box to prove I have ridden in dusty conditions.

http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/41dea...gMfhDBc5NYokGJ

http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/41dea...gMfhDB9q.qRrvA

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Either you with dirt problems have a small tear in the paper somewhere, a poor seal between the paper and plastic portions of the filter, or a poor seal between the filter and airbox.

I have included a pic of the numbers on my filter. Do you with the dirt problems have the same numbers on your filter as me? If not maybe Suzuki knew about the problem and corrected it with a different filter in some way on late models. My King was one of the last of 05s, with the reverse issue factory fixed.

 

What can I say CBF2, I guess your lucky. I don’t agree with you on the paper filter being the best, but that’s another argument for another thread.

I think the fact still remains that enough people are having seemlier problems. Since it’s not that hard or difficult to install an air filter I don’t think this many people would saying the same thing. A tear in both of the new filters I got and both of the quads having the exact same issues with dust/dirt, I don’t think so, but its easy to double check.

But who knows where the dirt is coming from? It’s defiantly coming from someplace and if greasing the top and bottom seals as you did is the solution GREAT! To me then, that would suggest a poor fitting/sealing air filter system that Suzuki should address immediately to prevent more costly engine damage.

 

4spining your pictures look exactly like my intake did. I have installed a uni-filter and will keep an eye on this.

 

If i were you id go in the save side and get a k&n air filter with an outerwear prefilter to keep out moisture also.The explosion in the cylinder isnt always going to burn that junk out into the exhaust, That dirt in the cylinder could lead to scratched walls, leaky valves, and maybe fouling plugs.And with the king being FI, that dirt could clog injectors if they got to them, or does the FI king have an in-line fuel filter in the carbeuration track somewhere?Although even if it did have a fuel filter, and excess of dirt could clog the filter from letting any fuel to the injectors at all.Which we all know that could lead to lack of fuel and it would cut out on you and stop running, then you'd have to tear down the bike and replace the filter IF there is one.But just to be safe, grab yourself a k&n with an outerwear at your nearest powersports supplier that carries suzuki parts and accesories and clean out the intake and injectors with some gumout or icjector cleaner.But before you clean anything, be sure to clean out the intake track first, you dont want all of that junk sliding into you cumbusted fuel and mcloggin anything or any of it gettin into the cylinder.Then put your k&n and outerwear on there and let it idle for 10 min and check for and hesitations in idling and if there is none, rev it and ride it and see how it feels.Repotrt back and tell us how it is doing in case there are any further problems.

 

I just got my King quad back today from the dealer. i too had the smoking problem, the dealer put in new rings new jug gaskets ect, and he told me the problem was the wrong rings. I still don't want to beleive him but what can I say, they also left the old air filter on the bike instead of giving me a new one. i will order a uni filter i guess or something else other than the stock filter. It deos not make sence to me that they could put the wrong rings on the piston. Anybody with my serial number before or after should contact their dealer. JSAAP41AO52116562 I also asked about the noisey cluth and they said they could find nothing wrong. so squeeling and lurching is normal. I sent a letter to suzuki Canada to see if they could explain the ring story or not. I think I have a Yellow lemon. Even though they fixed it i still don't fell confident with this machine. More to come......