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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRandy
That sounds like a lot of caster.
It is. If it turns out that I have too much, I can fix it fairly easily. It's going to be awhile before I ride this again. I've ordered some stuff to tear that 250 engine down and rebuild it.

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How come?
It opens up a much bigger selection of shocks.

Check out this page:
http://www.worksperformance.com/pdf/app_guide/atv.pdf
Our front shocks are 11.88" long.

If I can add more space between the mounts, I can use 13-14", and maybe even 15" long shocks.

That opens up shocks from the following ATVs:
LT250R (any year)
TRX250X
TRX300EX
Banshee
Raptor 250
Blaster

All of which should have a bigger selection of good used shocks then we will find for our quads.

Yes, I might be going over-board, but I will need to buy new shocks anyway. There's no reason that I have to get quadsport shocks. And adding that bracket won't cost me anything but a piece of rectangular tubing and a weekend of fabbing/welding.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 01:22 AM
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Just put the longer shocks on is even easier and will get your arms angles pointed down more where they should be.

I went the opposite direction. Longer shocks plus a lower mount.

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This is an early (2007-08) pic, but I think I even gull-winged my arms to go even lower in later years.

You want them pointed down, not because of ride height, but because they won't cave when you're turning, but remain soft for bumps. When you turn, the force travels straight up the arm instead of straight up the shock if the arms were flat. So you can run extremely soft spring settings while still being stable in turns.

I'd first pick out the shock, then set the arms to just above joint-bind, then put the mounts where you need them.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 01:34 AM
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by j_mauld
In the picture there is just a little positive camber, and I will be getting rid of that. It should only take a few washers on the lower arm to deal with that. Or maybe switch to the 250s steering knuckle, but I think that will go too far in the other direction.
Guys I have a 87 230e quadrunner n a 89 230e quadrunner,now when I line them up side to
Side the 1989 quadrunner is longer.Do you think its because the swingarm is longer? On the 89?.by the way the swing arms r stock.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 06:29 AM
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Randy, I follow you and I agree with you. In your picture the roll center is much closer to the center of gravity, so the quad is going to lean less in a turn. There are some negatives to that setup. You have to lean off the bike more in a turn to keep it from tipping over (except yours looks to be wider than mine) and you'll dive more when braking. So it's a trade off in how you expect to ride. I know mine is too low for big jumps and probably not wide enough for an MX setup. I suspect that I will eventually have the ride height set somewhere between your picture and my picture.

What shock are using in that picture? I plan on making my upper mount adjustable like you have done. It will just be resting on top of the frame.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jel08270
Guys I have a 87 230e quadrunner n a 89 230e quadrunner,now when I line them up side to
Side the 1989 quadrunner is longer.Do you think its because the swingarm is longer? On the 89?.by the way the swing arms r stock.
You are probably right. In '89 they were probably using the 250s swing arm. It's easy to measure, just measure from the center of the pivot bolt to the top bearing support bolt.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 06:47 AM
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Randy if he goes with a taller shock,it should have a longer travel.Do you think the wheels could take out his new front fenders if he lands to hard on front wheels?It happens to me alot on a my quad when jumping hills at the pit if one of my back wheels hit wrong on a jump im comn down crossed up on front end HARD!!. Scares da crap out of me but I still try it again.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 06:58 AM
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K I'll measure it but they look the same may they just added an inche from factory.The 87 is a wheelie machine, comes up easy for a auto clutch but the 89 is harder to wheelie.crazy what the extra inche does to the rear.Wonder what it would do to performance if you added an inche to thr front end like you said in an earier post.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRandy
I'd first pick out the shock, then set the arms to just above joint-bind, then put the mounts where you need them.
I do need to go through this exercise. I really want to use the 450/400 style shocks. There are so many of those available and they interchange between the brands easily. There's also a ton of aftermarket support for them, custom spring rates, shops that revalve them, short bodies, etc. . The problem is, those things are 17" long and I don't think there's room to get them on there.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jel08270
Randy if he goes with a taller shock,it should have a longer travel.Do you think the wheels could take out his new front fenders if he lands to hard on front wheels?
I've considered this, and will need to test it once the shocks are mounted. If there's enough droop to hit the fenders, then I would just trim them a little bit. Better to cut away a little material instead of having it ripped off.
 
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