Oh Tom, Tom, Tom............from one Arborist to another..........DUDE, you've got to turn that radio dial away from that liberal skank Gina Garafolo (sp) and Al Franken. Your mind has been polluted! Come away from the dark side my child, we'll take care of you!

 

Tomthetreeguy....oh, never mind......jumping into a debate about politics with someone like you is largely a waste of time, so much of your ideology and political beliefs are controlled by your emotional thought rather then rational thinking and common sense, not to say that republicans or conservatist have all the answers but they are at least headed in the right direction. Nothing I, or anyone else, say will convince you to open your thinking and to re-examine your views or beliefs.....and yes I do read from the opposite political spectrum from myself.

CaptQuint- Its always fun to read your rebuttals, your a very articulate writer.

 

Whew...I figured any responses would be very partisan. Too bad there can't be an open dialog. So, just because I don't agree with conservative thought, I'm emotional? Rubbish! It's easy to sit there and pound the keys and blow off an opposing thought without engaging in any dialog.

The quote that I included, guess who wrote that? There was this fella who lived a few years ago, believe it or not, a Republican. Theodore Roosevelt...

RR was a great actor, at least when he was in politics, not so on the screen. I have a painful memory of him from one episode of Death Valley Days. If you look at a tick list of what happened during his watch in the White House, you might not have the same opinion. But, compared to what we have in the White House now, I will agree, RR is a pretty good president.

 

No need to compare Bush and Reagan. You can have both!
http://www.bush-zombiereagan.com/str...614095759.html

I am always amused at those who wish to heap honours on a leader by crediting him/her with positive things that happened during their tenure and absolving/ignoring the bad. They say Jefferson doubled the size of the U.S. with the Louisiana purchase but he just happened to be they guy in the chair when France was hard up for war cash and offered the enormous area for sale. It wasn't some feat of statesmanship on Jeff's part, he just took the offer and collected the credit. Similarly Reagan gets credit for the breakup of the former Soviet Union, as though he strode through the Kremlin brandishing a broadsword and personally hacked the Evil Empire to bits. No boys, he was in the chair when it happened. And whether or not the Iran hostage situation was delayed to make Reagan shine in the eyes of gullible people, who imagine that Islamics were suddenly and uniquely (as recent events denote) afraid of a doddering old man and thus hastened to release the hostages immediately just on hearing news of his election (give me a friggin break!), at least Carter worked right up through the eve of the election day securing their release. (Though Ron took the bows)
Carter in his turn was foolishly naive to give away the canal that was bought with enormous suffering and moolah by U.S. industry and effort, and was/is of such strategic and practical importance.
If he was in a giving back mood, why not just give Hawaii back to the heredetary kings? At least that place was siezed by military force and is less a justifiable U.S. posession than the Panama canal. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
I yearn for the days of old, where at least you got to see Gerry Ford do a lipstand out of Airforce One now and again to releave the monotony. Or Johnson hold his yelping dog up by the ears. ('He likes it')
<sigh>

 

To my knowledge, at least Reagan was bold enough to make the public declaration of wanting the wall to be torn down. No president in 40+ years prior to him even dared to utter those words suggesting its demise. How can he not get the credit when he appealed to the leader to make that happen?

The wall actually fell under George Bush's watch, but he and everyone else knows it would not have happened without Reagan proclaiming it and issuing the challenge.

 

Strange isn't it how anyone can say Reagan deserves no credit for ending Cold War and Jefferson deserves no credit for Louisiana Purchase. And yet many of same people will try and convince us that Clinton deserves all the credit for the good economy from 1992-2000. Where is the honesty? Are they also going to say Lincoln gets no credit for winning Civil War and FD Roosevelt gets no credit for winning World War 2?

 

morning of day

 

I (for one) won't make such a claim for Clinton.

The North won the U.S. Civil War due more to a preponderace of military, and more exactly industrial capacity than by any military brilliance from either Lincoln or his general staff. This is not to cast aspersion on the great President by any means, he who first supported the construction of the 'impossible' railroad to cross the continent and who gave us the stirring Gettysburg Address and black emancipation, among other accomplishments.

And no, FDR did not win the Second World War. He did a fine job of countering the Great Depression with his New Deal alright.
Many in the U.S. never seem to have noticed the word 'World' in the name WW2 nor understand the meaning. That conflict involved many many nations and the loss of many MILLIONS of service personnel and civilians (IE: 20 million for Russia, +11 million for China, 5 million Germans etc.) over a period of six years. The U.S. was involved during three of those years and suffered the loss of in the neighbourhood of something around three hundred thousand casualties. Nothing to sniff at by any means and the contributions of the United States to the Allied effort were great and greatly appreciated, but despite what some overly patriotic schoolbooks might suggest, the U.S. did not 'win' the war, let alone did FDR do it.
D-day had five beaches, not the two your history books and the Time magazine I once subscribed to say. The U.S. had two beaches, two were British, and one was Canadian. It was a team effort that you guys came into late and fresh, after Pearl Harbour was attacked.
Thanks a ton for helping but don't take credit for everything.

 

Glenlivet- Whats the deal man, do you really think that WWII would have had the same outcome if the US had not been in the war? If the US had not been apart of the Allieds then the people of the UK would probably be speaking german now, England and the other allieds did not have the resources or the manpower to go it alone without the US....they would have LOST without the United States, and yes the United States did win the war in the SouthPacific....two nukes dropped and thats all the Japeness needed to convince them that it was over for them, and who dropped those bombs....hmm, was it Canada or the UK....NO, you know the answer.

Yes it may have been a "team" effort to win WWII, but may no mistake...the United States was the captain of that team, and without that teams captain the team would have lost. The US was the MVP of WWII, sorry to bust your bubble.

 

I admire your patriotic zeal, friend but you're a victim of rampant jingoism. Yes I know about the bombs. Shall I list the nationalities of the scientists? Niels Bohr, Teller, Albert Einstein, J.R. Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Emilio Segri? Good old American names, you say? It was an International effort all the way through.
Get it through your head The U.S. didn't go in there and 'win the war' no matter how loudly you hawk it or how many badly written school books you can quote. Your fathers helped a great deal and I won't dare insult the contribution by suggesting it was other than very timely and welcome assistance. But you can't really insult the rest of the allied forces by claiming that after sitting on your asses throughout half the fighting and killing that the U.S. won it all? You might as well have waited until Buster Douglas dropped Mike Tyson and rushed into the ring and booted the downed Tyson in the head a couple of times and claim you won that fight too. Get a grip.
I seriously doubt the veterans of the United States armed forces that fought and died or suffered wounds or watched friends die in Europe alongside those of all the other countries' combatants would be proud that their descendants should claim that the U.S. get all the credit for winning the war.
You've been reading too many Sgt. Rock comics.
There's a bubble alright but it is around those who cannot see past their own border.
My hat is off to the U.S. services veterans of that conflict and those of their number who did not return.