OK I just got to put my 2cents in. Rhino go down to your Polaris dealer after it snows(assumuing it snows I don't know where you live) and ride one. Apparently you have never been on one or you wouldn't write the crap you are. I never did well in math, didn't take physics but I do ride a sportsman, I ride rock, mud dirt and anything else I can. You have got to watch very close to see the rears spin before the fronts lock in. Stick it in 2wd then lock the fronts and watch, you will notice a very small amount of rotation before the fronts lock in. Tyr it on gravel and you will never see the rears spin, also they don't unlock immediatly after tracton is equalized. When crawling in the rocks they will lock in usually before your up on the first rock and they will stay locked until not needed for an extended amount of time, and yes it takes a little muscle to turn when locked in. This is the way it is when riding a polaris, try one sometime.

 

That tech page is for OLD style hubs on a polaris. That's not what they use on the twins for 02-present and 400-500 sportsmans on present models. The awd system is in the center differential. THAT system works like we all say. Maybe the old system was lax on it's engagement, but the not the newer center hub diff unit.

 

Aren't you the one that said you read to put 20% bigger tires on the front to keep it in AWD. This was probably written by one of those know nothings that do test reviews on machines but have no clue what is going on except the color of the ride. You know the type. I think these people are getting a ranger to test pretty soon........What color is it BTW.




I wrote:
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Are you still going to tell us that the rear wheels slip 15.7"

You wrote:
the rear tires slip 18-20% before the front engages.

Hey Einstein, 20% IS 15.7" of slippage I tryed to explain it to you using math formulas that my 8th graders can even do but apparently 8th grade math is too advanced at this time. I'll try once more, 20% rotation means the rear tires rotate 1/5 around before the fronts engage (your theory) that means you have to take the circumference ( thats the distance AROUND the tire) (diameter X 3.14) diameter is 25 SO.......25 X 3.14 = 78.5. THEN take 20% of that and you have 15.7". So by correcting me and saying that you didn't say it has 15.7" of slippage you said it has 20%.....IT'S THE SAME THING. Now...do the rear tires slip 20% (15.7") like you say they do.......I mean since you've ridden soooooo many.

Why can't you answer OUR question?

Oh and if you SUCH an expert why are looking at a diagram of older models. I wouldn't try to explain how a powerstroke diesel works by looking at diagrams of the old 6.9L. But I can't blame you, you don't know any better.

Well I have to get back to my nintendo (that I don't have)

One last thing, I see your getting more supporters of your intelligence (Vaquero)

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BREEEEEAAAAATH! We wouldn't want to lose all your professional reviews.

 

And the winner is??

Great entertainment.

IMHO, if you find yourself in a situation where that tiny little un-noticable wheel spin can put you in harms way, you either should have already been in 4-wd or you shouldn't be riding an ATV.

I look forward to reading this everyday.

My icon fits me too! LOL

 

Hey Rhino I would love to come down and go riding, need a little more notice though. Spent last weekend riding around Pipestone and alway like to go some place new. My response was specifically from a riders standpoint, I said I didn't do the math thing and such. There are too many variables in the real world to live by a book and was not meant to be specific in any way, afterall I don't care how it works as long as it work like I want it to.

 

Ditto. Several of us ride the 500's on long exploration type trips and we love 'em.


Intrepid Explorers

 

First of all I don't care for the personal remark on my intelligence, you don't know a damn thing about me.

Now, Pipestone is just below Homestake Pass on the East side(about 1hr from Bozeman). It starts out on BLM and you can rid into USFS land. Ther is a trial for everybody, from sandy/gravel on the BLM to very rugged rock trails. Not a lot of mud, least not that we have found but I have not cover a very large percentage of the trails. I was going to take pics but never took the time but we did have one crash, a Wolverine that was along rolled and pinned therider against a barbwire fence. No injuries past a bruise or two.

Great pictures, looks like a great place and I will try to get my schedue arranged so I can make the trip, I have a friend in Billings and a few that I ride with(Helena and Bozeman) that would like it if I picked them up on the way.

 

Well, we can argue this one to death, it looks like. In Rhino's defense, I checked out his site, and he is one of the few that pretty much just tells it like he sees it. Follow his link, and see for yourself.

Once this debate started, I checked out a couple machines I know of, and found that mine, and the other 2 all have a slightly different 'distance' the rears must travel before the fronts engage. My Xplorer takes very little motion once it has been activated (the way I tested it was raise all 4 wheels off the ground on a lift, start the engine, engage 4wd, and see how much the rears turn before the fronts grab. I held the front wheel with a finger so I could 'feel' when it grabbed.)
My Xplorer took maybe 6-7 inches for the fronts to initially grab. After that, I left in in 4wd, and poked the throttle so the wheels turned a little. After that, as long as I left the 4wd switch on, it took about 2-3 inches of travel on the rear wheels, not much at all.
A 2000 non-HO Sportsman was about the same, and a 2000 Magnum 500 took 6-7 inches every time. This makes me think there is a certain variance involved, probably has something to do with manufacturing tolerances, wear, or perhaps maintanence of hub oil. I know mine & the Sportsman are well cared for. I have over 10,000 miles, and the Sportsman had under 2000. Can't remember the Magnum, should have written it down.

 

Farmr123, that is a good test. It would be interesting for someone with a non-polaris FWD to measure the backlash between the front and rear. The test involves lifting the quad off the ground. Engage AWD, then hold the rear wheels and attempt to rotate the front wheels back and forth. This should be compared with the measurement that Farmr123 provided.

 

Does your Rhino fit in the bed of your pu?