ATV Television reviews big bore 4x4's **Polaris owners beware**
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ATV Television reviews big bore 4x4's **Polaris owners beware**
I want control over my quad. I want to tap the rear brakes to initiate sliding the rear end or bringing the front end back down.
I want the ability to use engine braking on big downhills for the rear wheels, and only control the front brakes(in 2wd)
don't want to use the rear brakes if I start rolling backwards down a hill.
Modulating the rear brakes to prevent lockup has never been a problem for me, regardless of what transmission was on the quad.
Linked systems are much easier to learn, and more reliable/safer for the average user in panic situations. Note that except for some of the high end touring bikes, most streetbikes also have seperated brakes though. Motorcycle style controls lend themselves to easier applications of seperated braking
Personally, I have found that in the more extreme conditions linked braking isn't as good as seperated.
That would be perfectly fine, IF you could opt out of using the rear brakes or just barely use the rears to augment the engine braking. The linked system won't allow this, so it is easier to lock the rear wheels.
Going down a steep, slippery hill is not the time to lock up any wheels, but if I had a choice, I would rather lock the front then rear.
Lock the rears, you could end up facing up the hill!!
I was trying to point out that riders with a choice between 2wd and 4wd will use the 4wd(unlocked front diff hopefully) going down hills for the extra engine braking.
BryceGTX
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ATV Television reviews big bore 4x4's **Polaris owners beware**
hahaha i am lovin today!!!!!!!!! raced a 250ex and won ahahahahahahahhahahaahhahahahahahaha,
oh yeah we both had split braking so you cant call that card on us!
brycegtx i am glad you are like minded! people worship ppl on tv cuz they must be stars dude i i wanna be on tv i can hit a cop car and be on the news lol!
oh yeah we both had split braking so you cant call that card on us!
brycegtx i am glad you are like minded! people worship ppl on tv cuz they must be stars dude i i wanna be on tv i can hit a cop car and be on the news lol!
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ATV Television reviews big bore 4x4's **Polaris owners beware**
I want control over my quad. I want to tap the rear brakes to initiate sliding the rear end or bringing the front end back down.
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Every Polaris has a rear brake pedal to do this, so I don't see any difference.
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Every Polaris has a rear brake pedal to do this, so I don't see any difference.
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don't want to use the rear brakes if I start rolling backwards down a hill.
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This is one of the beauties about single hand braking, the front brakes always provide much more braking so they will slide before the rear brakes lock up in this situation. Try doing this on a Polaris and you will see what I mean. This is exactly a case where single hand braking is safer. My wife's quad was tipping over going up a hill, she jumped off the quad, steading it and grabbed the single hand brake. If you happen to jump off the quad going either forward or backward on a treacherous section of hill, you grab the single brake and it will stop the quad. If you have split brakes and you grab the front brake, it often will not hold and the quad will slide backwards down the hill. I have had this happen to me, and I suspect it has probably happened to others.
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don't want to use the rear brakes if I start rolling backwards down a hill.
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This is one of the beauties about single hand braking, the front brakes always provide much more braking so they will slide before the rear brakes lock up in this situation. Try doing this on a Polaris and you will see what I mean. This is exactly a case where single hand braking is safer. My wife's quad was tipping over going up a hill, she jumped off the quad, steading it and grabbed the single hand brake. If you happen to jump off the quad going either forward or backward on a treacherous section of hill, you grab the single brake and it will stop the quad. If you have split brakes and you grab the front brake, it often will not hold and the quad will slide backwards down the hill. I have had this happen to me, and I suspect it has probably happened to others.
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Modulating the rear brakes to prevent lockup has never been a problem for me, regardless of what transmission was on the quad.
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LOL, If you are suggesting you have never locked the rear brake, then I say you have never ridden or your memory is not what it used to be. In most situations, I have no problem keeping either a split brake or a Single hand brake quad from locking.
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Modulating the rear brakes to prevent lockup has never been a problem for me, regardless of what transmission was on the quad.
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LOL, If you are suggesting you have never locked the rear brake, then I say you have never ridden or your memory is not what it used to be. In most situations, I have no problem keeping either a split brake or a Single hand brake quad from locking.
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Linked systems are much easier to learn, and more reliable/safer for the average user in panic situations. Note that except for some of the high end touring bikes, most streetbikes also have seperated brakes though. Motorcycle style controls lend themselves to easier applications of seperated braking
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LOL, this is exactly my point. Split brakes are most useful on manual transmission clutched vehicles. It has nothing to do with easier to learn.
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Personally, I have found that in the more extreme conditions linked braking isn't as good as seperated.
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In my mind it has nothing to do with extreme terrain, it has to do with performance. Most all the performance sports quads are clutched manual transmissions, where split braking is not just preferable, but absolutely required. LOL, could you imagine single hand braking on your YFZ? LOL, neither can I!
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Linked systems are much easier to learn, and more reliable/safer for the average user in panic situations. Note that except for some of the high end touring bikes, most streetbikes also have seperated brakes though. Motorcycle style controls lend themselves to easier applications of seperated braking
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LOL, this is exactly my point. Split brakes are most useful on manual transmission clutched vehicles. It has nothing to do with easier to learn.
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Personally, I have found that in the more extreme conditions linked braking isn't as good as seperated.
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In my mind it has nothing to do with extreme terrain, it has to do with performance. Most all the performance sports quads are clutched manual transmissions, where split braking is not just preferable, but absolutely required. LOL, could you imagine single hand braking on your YFZ? LOL, neither can I!
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Going down a steep, slippery hill is not the time to lock up any wheels, but if I had a choice, I would rather lock the front then rear.
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I am assuming that you really did not intend to say this, because no one will agree to this.
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Lock the rears, you could end up facing up the hill!!
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Same with fronts. Fact is there are cases you should not lock any tires, and you will have to learn when you can or can't. You can get into just as much trouble in 4wd as in two wheel drive.
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Going down a steep, slippery hill is not the time to lock up any wheels, but if I had a choice, I would rather lock the front then rear.
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I am assuming that you really did not intend to say this, because no one will agree to this.
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Lock the rears, you could end up facing up the hill!!
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Same with fronts. Fact is there are cases you should not lock any tires, and you will have to learn when you can or can't. You can get into just as much trouble in 4wd as in two wheel drive.
you have a steep, SLIPPERY hill. You are riding at an angle to the slope, but going downhill. Whichever wheels lock up are going DOWN the hill. I did clarify that I would rather not lock up any wheels, but it happens. I know you guys get the white stuff out there in Michigan, and it isn't uncommon to have some snotty mud underneath either. In those conditions, locking the rears heads you up(hope the drive wheels can get traction to climb) the hill and depending on speed, heading backwards downhill. Lock the fronts and you can at least see where you are going/what you are going to hit[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] Obviously, I am talking about conditions where the wheels are going to slide, not flip you. Should have made that more clear upfront.
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I was trying to point out that riders with a choice between 2wd and 4wd will use the 4wd(unlocked front diff hopefully) going down hills for the extra engine braking.
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Yep, and effectively get single hand braking. Because in 4wd, either front or rear brakes on a split braking system gives you the advantages on single hand braking
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I was trying to point out that riders with a choice between 2wd and 4wd will use the 4wd(unlocked front diff hopefully) going down hills for the extra engine braking.
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Yep, and effectively get single hand braking. Because in 4wd, either front or rear brakes on a split braking system gives you the advantages on single hand braking
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ATV Television reviews big bore 4x4's **Polaris owners beware**
Yeah, if that pedal is working. You still don't have the ability to control or modulate the fronts seperately.
Yet you ARE using the rear brakes, thus there is a point where they may lock up also. In the above mentioned situation, I want to be able to use both front and rear brakes as soon as I know I'm not making it, before loosing forward momentum. If you still start sliding backwards, you can always let off the rear brake if they are not linked.
Wasn't trying to suggest anything here. Locking up the rear brakes is a fact of offroad life. You yourself stated the exact same thing I did with your last line, only adding "In most situations"
Hey bro, you make my argument here for me. This is my point exactly. linked braking dummies down the system for less experienced riders. Many prefer the higher performance given when allowed to modulate braking to front or rear wheels seperately. Personally, I think Polaris should offer users a choice of braking capability, at least on the flagship bigbores. This would add real value to there utes in my eyes. The current system is fine, but a choice would be much better.
you have a steep, SLIPPERY hill. You are riding at an angle to the slope, but going downhill. Whichever wheels lock up are going DOWN the hill. I did clarify that I would rather not lock up any wheels, but it happens. I know you guys get the white stuff out there in Michigan, and it isn't uncommon to have some snotty mud underneath either. In those conditions, locking the rears heads you up(hope the drive wheels can get traction to climb) the hill and depending on speed, heading backwards downhill. Lock the fronts and you can at least see where you are going/what you are going to hit Obviously, I am talking about conditions where the wheels are going to slide, not flip you. Should have made that more clear upfront
Huh?
BryceGTX
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ATV Television reviews big bore 4x4's **Polaris owners beware**
I hate forum back and forth arguing. When an inexperienced rider is on board, linked systems are usually safer as there is less to think about and fewer controls to manage in panic situations. If you own an atv with such a system, I am sure you like it. However, that is why I refer to it as "dummying down." Personally, I prefer to have that extra control over my quads, and believe many others do as well, agreed? Please don't look at this as a bash on Polaris or AC. I like their products, but they are not anything I would normally purchase. This is much the same way as I like sports cars, but having a two door, low to the ground vehicle isn't practical for a family with small kids, so I won't be buying anything like that in the near future either. Actually, if someone started selling a manual clutch, lightweight sporty 4X4 atv, I would have one ASAP.
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ATV Television reviews big bore 4x4's **Polaris owners beware**
When an inexperienced rider is on board, linked systems are usually safer as there is less to think about and fewer controls to manage in panic situations. If you own an atv with such a system, I am sure you like it. However, that is why I refer to it as "dummying down." Personally, I prefer to have that extra control over my quads, and believe many others do as well, agreed? Please don't look at this as a bash on Polaris or AC. I like their products, but they are not anything I would normally purchase.
BryceGTX