The criteria is "Do the brakes work properly?". The answer was when coupled with a rear wheel only EBS going down a steep grade, they were saying no -

But as the non-utility Trailblazer does not have 4WD or standard EBS, you might not understand this point.

It doesn't mean its a bad quad, there are many who just don't like the rear wheel only engine braking coupled with the unified braking. Some people don't care about it enough to not buy the Sportsman, casual trail riders might not care about it at all, but don't make it sound as if the braking is as good as separately controlled brakes (adjustable bias to the serious rider) and 4wd engine braking, because most of the time it isn't when things get really technical. Even NASCAR allows adjustable brake bias.

Ever try an Arctic Cat? My riding partners rear disc just plain sucks (although they did upgrage it - in 05?). My mechanical rear brake on my 98AC just did not work at all.

Oh my gosh! This must be part of the Polaris Defamation Conspiracy!

 

im not surprised the 700EFI didnt take the grizzly. if a machines got EFI, and a twin cylinder, its INSTANTLY better?Not really. The EFI helps, but the twin cylinder doesnt mean ****... the grizzly engine/tranny combo is still one of the best out there. discs brakes are INSTANTLY better than drums? honda may still use drums, but they still do a decent job. my friends foreman rear brakes still work good at 2000 miles, whereas my kodiak's disc brakes would only go 400-500 miles...

sometimes all those fancy gadgets dont make it any better...

 

My point was that their criteria for judging the quality of brakes as specified by their own web site does not include the evaluation of EBS. LOL, the above statement you make is as stupid is saying my brakes on my Jeep are bad because when I go down a hill in 2WD the rear wheels slide. Same thing eh?
Yea right. Go back to your ATVTV web site.
Hmm.. I can go back less than a week and find your complaint about your brakes. And supposedly your brakes are rated 10!!! LOL, you are comparing a mechanical brake on a 98 to the hydraulic disc brakes on the new quads on this unbelievable website? Ok, this is beginning to sound like our last discussion propnut. Its heating up...
I thought we were talking about Artic Cat?
BryceGTX

 

Hey Gopher500... How about going and reading the website... Then read my post.. It is not my opinion that that the Polaris 700 is better or worse than the Grizzly. It is their inconsistent opinion that says in one case it is and the other case it isn't. Seems these guys can't make up thier own mind.
BryceGTX

 

First, Doug is a gimp.

Second, the brakes on an Arctic Cat work great. I have no problems stopping my 2004, or my dad's 2000. I can lock up all four wheels if I want to. The only bad thing about their brakes is the foot brake. That thing does suck, however some owners have modified it to work good.

 

Are you really that dense or is it that bias kicking in again? Who's talking about 2wd - and stupid, u pointless simpleton? Oh yeah must be stupid me, the front wheels of the test Polaris didn't engage when engine braking system was working, dummy me. But maybe it skids the back tires because the braking bias is to hard over to the back for the hills they rode on that particular Polaris? Hmmm....probably hard to settle for, um, or try to find that happy medium bias to be good everywhere.

Yeah, I said I wish I had disc, for the serviceability alone. Just an honest opinion (or complaint if you wish) about a feature on my ATV where I'd like to see a change. The foot brake works good though (some even think its worth a 10...he he), better than an 03 AC500 I have a bit of seat time on, and much better than the 98 I had. There is an advantage as far as my mechanical brake doesn't suffer bleed down when using the parking brake for long periods like towing.

And yes Catterman, I am talking about the rear foot brake, the back-up to the unified system. I have no complaints about the stopping power or the bias of the unified braking on the 03 AC (but remember that unified brake works at least 3 tires on non-locker 4WDrive ACs when engine braking down hill no matter what the bias is), even my 98 hydraulic brakes worked well enough to lock up. I am aware of improvements you can make to the 04s and under like braided lines.

My issue, and this may not happen often, but I had the pin that holds the rear brake pads in the rear hydraulic disc shear. The pads were free to fall out. When I grabbed my only real brakes (like I said, the mechanical foot brake was virtually useless over 5 mph) the piston traveled past the oring in the caliper and all my fluid just squirted out. Unified brake failure!!!

 

Hey Catterman.
That is exactly what I suspected. I have a good friend with an 05 Artic Cat 400 and he says the brakes work just fine. The idea of bad brakes on the AC is just another line of BS from ATVTV comparisons I guess. I can also say the same about the Polaris brakes. They are excellent unlike the ATVTV comparisons.
BryceGTX

 

This is what I like about you propnut, you are continuously baffled by simple concepts. The front to rear brake biasing is not the reason for the rear tire sliding... It is the high braking forces from the EBS, the same as if I had put my Jeep in a low gear while going down a slippery hill in 2wd. This happens whether you use the brakes or not. Now the real benifit of the Polaris system will be when it gets really slippery and you decide to go down the hill in 4wd on your locked system. The front tires on your quad will slid because they are providing too much braking, you will be unable to steer and you will slid sideways and the rest is history. The Polaris on the other hand will not lock the front tires because the engine provides no front wheel braking (just like a 2wd car), he wil be able to steer his way down the hill. Seems that anyone who has ever driven a rear wheel drive car in slippery conditions such as in the winter time understands these simple concepts. But hey, I am glad I could teach you something.
BryceGTX

 

Hey propnut. I got a question.. Now why don't the automotive compnies provide split braking? Why instead do they design their brakes like Artic Cat and Polaris? Yep, the emergency brakes on cars are almost (not quite) as good as the auxilliary foot brake on my quad.
BryceGTX

 

BryceGTX, you are a simpleton that just doesn't get it. Someone that has little to no experience in what they're talking about. Cars are not commonly available with brake bias adjustment for people like you that wouldn't have a clue how or when to use it. However, many new vehicles have the computer do what I do on my quad but people like you are too lazy or smart enough to figure out, bias the brakes (ever hear of anti-lock braking?). Talk to any club or professional racer, they have modified or equipped their car brakes with a biasing valve.

You are exactly the type of rider and thinker your machine was made for. Dummy Down the Sport was all about you, your simple mind, and riding abilities, and the trails you choose to ride on. But at 3.5 posts per day, I think you type bologna more than ride anyway.