Old PSAR thread - please see the new one
Mar 29, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by: RaptorRandy27
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: maggiesboy
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
Originally posted by: LdyJay
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Mar 29, 2007 | 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by: RancherATCrazy
Well I am a one Rancher Man.... Please no brokeback mountain jokes I am talking about the Quads [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] LOL
Anyway the guy came over looked at it checked it out and wrote a $300 check to hold it until I can meet him at the bank tomarrow afternoon. 4300 Smackers in cash and he can have his quad and his check back! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Wonder what I could get for mine with the mods hhhhhhhmmmmmmm probably enough to pay mine off and a hefty chuck down on a renneagade [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Well I am a one Rancher Man.... Please no brokeback mountain jokes I am talking about the Quads [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] LOL
Anyway the guy came over looked at it checked it out and wrote a $300 check to hold it until I can meet him at the bank tomarrow afternoon. 4300 Smackers in cash and he can have his quad and his check back! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Wonder what I could get for mine with the mods hhhhhhhmmmmmmm probably enough to pay mine off and a hefty chuck down on a renneagade [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Mar 29, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by: LdyJay
I went with .30. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] BTW, our local parts guy did me a solid when he recommended I change my fuel filter. Icky fuel filter 1
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Originally posted by: RaptorRandy27
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: maggiesboy
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
Originally posted by: LdyJay
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Mar 29, 2007 | 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by: tencubed
So, on this spark plug thing - - - I agree with RR's input as it jives with what I have read and learned over the years. I am wondering, however, if anyone indexes their plugs in relation to the intake valve(s) anymore? This used to be one of the tricks we used to squeeze the last bit out of drag engines and I have not seen mention of it in years. Were we wasting our time or is it just not worth the time and trouble?
Originally posted by: LdyJay
I went with .30. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] BTW, our local parts guy did me a solid when he recommended I change my fuel filter. Icky fuel filter 1
Icky Sludge on the filter
Originally posted by: RaptorRandy27
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: maggiesboy
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
Originally posted by: LdyJay
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Icky Sludge on the filter
Mar 29, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by: LdyJay
BTW, our local parts guy did me a solid when he recommended I change my fuel filter. Icky fuel filter 1
Icky Sludge on the filter
BTW, our local parts guy did me a solid when he recommended I change my fuel filter. Icky fuel filter 1
Icky Sludge on the filter
That why you folks ask me important questions like....... what is 2 + 2 =?
should we use pitstick?
and my favorite one of all....you wanna WHISKEY COKE? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Mar 29, 2007 | 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by: maggiesboy
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
Originally posted by: LdyJay
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
Mar 29, 2007 | 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by: maggiesboy
That why you folks ask me important questions like....... what is 2 + 2 =?
should we use pitstick?
and my favorite one of all....you wanna WHISKEY COKE? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: LdyJay
BTW, our local parts guy did me a solid when he recommended I change my fuel filter. Icky fuel filter 1
Icky Sludge on the filter
BTW, our local parts guy did me a solid when he recommended I change my fuel filter. Icky fuel filter 1
Icky Sludge on the filter
That why you folks ask me important questions like....... what is 2 + 2 =?
should we use pitstick?
and my favorite one of all....you wanna WHISKEY COKE? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Mar 29, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by: tencubed
So, on this spark plug thing - - - I agree with RR's input as it jives with what I have read and learned over the years. I am wondering, however, if anyone indexes their plugs in relation to the intake valve(s) anymore? This used to be one of the tricks we used to squeeze the last bit out of drag engines and I have not seen mention of it in years. Were we wasting our time or is it just not worth the time and trouble?
Originally posted by: LdyJay
I went with .30. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] BTW, our local parts guy did me a solid when he recommended I change my fuel filter. Icky fuel filter 1
Icky Sludge on the filter
Originally posted by: RaptorRandy27
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: maggiesboy
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
Originally posted by: LdyJay
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
Ok gurus, if the manual says the plug gap is from .028-.031, which is better to be closer to? Wider gap or narrower.
BTW, the moron that designed the clips that hold the plastics on my 450 needs to be slapped. PIA.
My personal opinion, run that gap as open as you can.(.031") Some may agree, some may want to kick me in the face with a golf shoe[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
more spark IE length..... more complete burn of the fuel
I'm sure if Bear was unchained, he would prolly give you a more complete answer
Biggy D could prolly shed some lite as well
How bout me, don't I count [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need. A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. Many racers add high power ignition systems, the added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.
If it were me I would put her @ 0.30 and call it good [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Icky Sludge on the filter
I have always indexed my plugs on my drag cars and then on my winged sprint cars and I did it on my TRX 250R as well. On stock machines I have never bother to do it, but the thought just occured to me the other day that I should be doing it on my 700R now that it's been internally modified.
Mar 29, 2007 | 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by: hondablue
dream on
Originally posted by: RancherATCrazy
Well I am a one Rancher Man.... Please no brokeback mountain jokes I am talking about the Quads [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] LOL
Anyway the guy came over looked at it checked it out and wrote a $300 check to hold it until I can meet him at the bank tomarrow afternoon. 4300 Smackers in cash and he can have his quad and his check back! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Wonder what I could get for mine with the mods hhhhhhhmmmmmmm probably enough to pay mine off and a hefty chuck down on a renneagade [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Well I am a one Rancher Man.... Please no brokeback mountain jokes I am talking about the Quads [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] LOL
Anyway the guy came over looked at it checked it out and wrote a $300 check to hold it until I can meet him at the bank tomarrow afternoon. 4300 Smackers in cash and he can have his quad and his check back! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Wonder what I could get for mine with the mods hhhhhhhmmmmmmm probably enough to pay mine off and a hefty chuck down on a renneagade [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Mar 29, 2007 | 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by: hondablue
from what I understand about plug indexing it was used for the sake of uniformity (sp) keeping the spark even between cylinders...I dont see any point to index a plug any more with the advances in spark plug technology ...if you have four electrodes who cares where they point
Originally posted by: tencubed
So, on this spark plug thing - - - I agree with RR's input as it jives with what I have read and learned over the years. I am wondering, however, if anyone indexes their plugs in relation to the intake valve(s) anymore? This used to be one of the tricks we used to squeeze the last bit out of drag engines and I have not seen mention of it in years. Were we wasting our time or is it just not worth the time and trouble?
So, on this spark plug thing - - - I agree with RR's input as it jives with what I have read and learned over the years. I am wondering, however, if anyone indexes their plugs in relation to the intake valve(s) anymore? This used to be one of the tricks we used to squeeze the last bit out of drag engines and I have not seen mention of it in years. Were we wasting our time or is it just not worth the time and trouble?