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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by: etwake
Originally posted by: caliraptor
I got a Wiseco 11:1 and Ive been running 87 octane without any problems.....I might try 91 and see if it helps any.
Running anything higher than a 10:1 compression you should be using at least 91 octane gas. It combusts a lot better than 87. Plus you get the added benifit of the cleaners from the gas in your engine.
The problem with running 87 octane gas with an 11:1 piston is the fact that he risks detonation because the 87 octane gas combusts alot better than 91 octane. If he can run 87 octane in his engine without any detonation or pinging he will produce more power than if he ran a higher octane gas. Many people make the mistake of using too high octane gas thinking they will get more power. An example would be someone with a 11:1 using 110 octane fuel. Some VP and some other fuel companies do make a gas that actually will increase hp.

In short the lower octane, the more unstable a fuel is. High the octane the more stable a fuel will be, so it can be compressed more without detonation.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:21 AM
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I had contacted JE about this same thing, and they make a 10.75:1 standard bore piston that they recommend if still running pump gas. It includes the picton, rings, pins, and clips and tha part number is 190253 for the raptor.

My question is who else makes pistons for the Raptors? Who is best?

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Wiesco makes a good one.
I have a Pro-X in my hand and it looks ok but i have no feed back on it yet ( heck anything can look good )
If had the choice of any out there i would go with Ross or Wiesco. I have been told by more than one Person, and read on here that the J.E. Piston breaks. I have never actually seen it though.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:22 AM
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Also DASA makes some good aftermarket parts. they make 2 or 3 different compression ratios for the Raptor
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Lomax
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I had contacted JE about this same thing, and they make a 10.75:1 standard bore piston that they recommend if still running pump gas. It includes the picton, rings, pins, and clips and tha part number is 190253 for the raptor.

My question is who else makes pistons for the Raptors? Who is best?

Chris
Wiesco makes a good one.
I have a Pro-X in my hand and it looks ok but i have no feed back on it yet ( heck anything can look good )
If had the choice of any out there i would go with Ross or Wiesco. I have been told by more than one Person, and read on here that the J.E. Piston breaks. I have never actually seen it though.
Yeah, I'm deciding between the Wiesco or Ross, but I can't find any info on the Ross. Where do people get them? How much?

Chris
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:30 AM
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Go to 14mins.com click on Craycraft Racing, get there phone number and talk to Bob, I think he sells them.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:32 AM
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So do I ask for a 11:1 ross so I can run pump gas?

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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:33 AM
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talk to him about it and he can tell you everything that you need to know.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 08:58 PM
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I ran VP race gas (black can) when I first got my piston in, but then I went with a 91/vp mix and it didnt ping, so I went with pure 91 and still didnt ping and now Im at 87 with no pinging and running in 100+ heat.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by: ravencr
Originally posted by: caliraptor
I got a Wiseco 11:1 and Ive been running 87 octane without any problems.....I might try 91 and see if it helps any.
Are quads like cars in that if you have a high flowing exhaust, the compression decreases a tad inside the chamber? It's funny how some people say that they are running 87 octane when others are saying with the same piston they have to erun 93 octane. Other than altitude differences, what could be causing this wide difference?

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Guys, go back to school on 4-strokes. A high flow exhaust does not lower compression, it will however lower chamber temperatures thus helping to prevent detonation. When in doubt as to compression and fuel octane go with the higher octane. Detonation destroys engines!! Also, a larger duration cam with tigher lobe seperations (more valve overlap) will decrease dynamic compression ratios helping to prevent detonation. The static compression ration would remain the same but a 12:1 piston with a big duration (lots of overlap) cam can have dynamic compression as low as 10:1.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by: sandcowboy
Originally posted by: ravencr
Originally posted by: caliraptor
I got a Wiseco 11:1 and Ive been running 87 octane without any problems.....I might try 91 and see if it helps any.
Are quads like cars in that if you have a high flowing exhaust, the compression decreases a tad inside the chamber? It's funny how some people say that they are running 87 octane when others are saying with the same piston they have to erun 93 octane. Other than altitude differences, what could be causing this wide difference?

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Guys, go back to school on 4-strokes. A high flow exhaust does not lower compression, it will however lower chamber temperatures thus helping to prevent detonation. When in doubt as to compression and fuel octane go with the higher octane. Detonation destroys engines!! Also, a larger duration cam with tigher lobe seperations (more valve overlap) will decrease dynamic compression ratios helping to prevent detonation. The static compression ration would remain the same but a 12:1 piston with a big duration (lots of overlap) cam can have dynamic compression as low as 10:1.

Well said! I was about to post that same thing...looks like ya beat me to it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
 
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