I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
Aug 30, 2005 | 12:28 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
Originally posted by: kawi700
There have been kenz bikes that are not setup so well that have run close with acouple bikes of other builders, anyone who knows anything about running these bikes knows that for these bikes with 50% of the proper chassis setup to run with bikes that are %100 setup for there enviorment knows that the kenz motors MUST be generating a GREAT deal more power which it appears they are.
Cause the only race I see talked about between kenz and craycraft was a 450lbs long travel dune bike by kenz vs a light weight hill bike from craycraft. every 10lbs on the hill is 1.5 bike lenghts so it doesnt take a rocket scientest to figure that the 450lbs bike needs about 20hp more to run with a bike that weights 75lbs less. I have yet to see a craycraft race talked about where they raced one of kenz more equal weight bikes?????? Fact is simple if your building a 727 on gas expect about 62 hp from craycraft and about 70hp from kenz on the same dyno same day. Its up to the bike owner to see that the bike is suitable for that motor. Leave kenz out of the loses blaim it on the bike owners because for not having them setup properly kenz is doing his part.
There have been kenz bikes that are not setup so well that have run close with acouple bikes of other builders, anyone who knows anything about running these bikes knows that for these bikes with 50% of the proper chassis setup to run with bikes that are %100 setup for there enviorment knows that the kenz motors MUST be generating a GREAT deal more power which it appears they are.
Cause the only race I see talked about between kenz and craycraft was a 450lbs long travel dune bike by kenz vs a light weight hill bike from craycraft. every 10lbs on the hill is 1.5 bike lenghts so it doesnt take a rocket scientest to figure that the 450lbs bike needs about 20hp more to run with a bike that weights 75lbs less. I have yet to see a craycraft race talked about where they raced one of kenz more equal weight bikes?????? Fact is simple if your building a 727 on gas expect about 62 hp from craycraft and about 70hp from kenz on the same dyno same day. Its up to the bike owner to see that the bike is suitable for that motor. Leave kenz out of the loses blaim it on the bike owners because for not having them setup properly kenz is doing his part.
My sister has beaten some kenz bikes that had more done to them than hers (which was actually built in the backyard with a hammer and chisel) She has lost to many, I have won and lost, Dad has won and lost, but I would say there are far more victories than losses. AND recently much more losing, but do you see us whinning about it, kenz owners and others are putting money in chassis, and lightweight stuff, and ours simply have an engine and swingarm, and a sixpack rack full of beer and soda...lol
just grow up, race, give respect, talk smack with the person is GREAT but don't discredit the builder... and it is sad that my "assembled" bike has done so well against, flow bench blah blah blah bikes...j/k lets race, stop crying, and have some f-ing fun!!!
Aug 30, 2005 | 01:57 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
You NEXT Pepperb4u? How about you step to the plate and challenge my posts? My posts speak for themselves and so far, nobody has challenged a single point. Go back and reread and you will see - not a builder, not anybody supporting Kenz, Craycraft, or any other builder. And I won't take a cheap shot at your name. It would be way to easy to come up with a million humorous finishes to "pepper b 4 u". LOL.
In fact, you can't even back up the point you made that I have become a cheerleader because I have not made one comment favoring or disfavoring any single builder (Actually, I commented that I think each of them builds well enough to give YOU, YOU, YOU the opportunity to win and it is the RIDER, RIDER, RIDER that determines winning and losing. And you can be certain that if I chose one of these builders, I wouldn't go around saying all the other builders are crap just because I won. If you asked me who built my engine, I would say I got it from "so-and-so" but I trained hard, took my vitamins, and had a great start and that was the difference. I am not interested in being a "Klown" or a Craycraft "Cheerleader". I would drink with either and be respected for being independent. Many of you can pretend that this is "competitive spirit" all in fun but you cross the line when you drag a builder into it. This isn't Chevy or Ford. Those are companies. These are men with real last names. If they haven't done anything to harm you, you have no right to speak poorly of them. I could care less if the "Klowns" say the "Cheerleaders" suck all day long and vice versa. It is time to grow up and stand on your own and leave the builders out it. Make it personal by all means if it makes you feel like a better man.
If you think my position is wrong then defend your point. Not everything gets resolved on the track. That is why your momma and daddy told you to get a good education.
The great thing is I don't have to have the fastest quad to outwit either of you two. At this point, I waited all day and nothing! And nobody should think I favor or disfavor any of the builders. I am a supporter of public forums and the exchange of relevant, accurate, truthful information. I don't think anyone has the right to bring negative light to someone they have no direct involvement with. This is one of those elements that make up your character. I know it and others know it. If you don't know it, then that is half the problem right there.
I feel no shame as I have done no wrong to anybody. I am the guy trying to make the point that the builders have nothing to do with this, and apparently aren't interested in having anything to do with it. It is the customers who can't make it all come together for 4-6 seconds under the lights with family and friends watching. Racing is tough on the nerves, no doubt about it. If you have ever wrestled, you know the feeling well. It is nothing like basketball, baseball, or football. I guess we just have two differing viewpoints. You are more interested in believing you own the fastest quad (built by someone else by the way) and I want to be respected as the better RIDER. You see, I would be more interested in switching quads and proving to myself that I could win on either. You see, if you beat me then I could go around thinking he spent more money and his quad is just a bit faster. However if we switch quads and you beat me again, then I have to realize that you are the better RIDER. That is much harder to take. It is much easier to live under an umbrella of excuses and banter. Hell I could even understand if Kenz, DaBeech, Trinity, and Craycraft wanted to get together and race and compare notes. I would be more interested in becoming the best builder myself than just knowing I bought the fastest bike one of these gentlemen ever built. I guess it is just perspective.
/Jon
In fact, you can't even back up the point you made that I have become a cheerleader because I have not made one comment favoring or disfavoring any single builder (Actually, I commented that I think each of them builds well enough to give YOU, YOU, YOU the opportunity to win and it is the RIDER, RIDER, RIDER that determines winning and losing. And you can be certain that if I chose one of these builders, I wouldn't go around saying all the other builders are crap just because I won. If you asked me who built my engine, I would say I got it from "so-and-so" but I trained hard, took my vitamins, and had a great start and that was the difference. I am not interested in being a "Klown" or a Craycraft "Cheerleader". I would drink with either and be respected for being independent. Many of you can pretend that this is "competitive spirit" all in fun but you cross the line when you drag a builder into it. This isn't Chevy or Ford. Those are companies. These are men with real last names. If they haven't done anything to harm you, you have no right to speak poorly of them. I could care less if the "Klowns" say the "Cheerleaders" suck all day long and vice versa. It is time to grow up and stand on your own and leave the builders out it. Make it personal by all means if it makes you feel like a better man.
If you think my position is wrong then defend your point. Not everything gets resolved on the track. That is why your momma and daddy told you to get a good education.
The great thing is I don't have to have the fastest quad to outwit either of you two. At this point, I waited all day and nothing! And nobody should think I favor or disfavor any of the builders. I am a supporter of public forums and the exchange of relevant, accurate, truthful information. I don't think anyone has the right to bring negative light to someone they have no direct involvement with. This is one of those elements that make up your character. I know it and others know it. If you don't know it, then that is half the problem right there.
I feel no shame as I have done no wrong to anybody. I am the guy trying to make the point that the builders have nothing to do with this, and apparently aren't interested in having anything to do with it. It is the customers who can't make it all come together for 4-6 seconds under the lights with family and friends watching. Racing is tough on the nerves, no doubt about it. If you have ever wrestled, you know the feeling well. It is nothing like basketball, baseball, or football. I guess we just have two differing viewpoints. You are more interested in believing you own the fastest quad (built by someone else by the way) and I want to be respected as the better RIDER. You see, I would be more interested in switching quads and proving to myself that I could win on either. You see, if you beat me then I could go around thinking he spent more money and his quad is just a bit faster. However if we switch quads and you beat me again, then I have to realize that you are the better RIDER. That is much harder to take. It is much easier to live under an umbrella of excuses and banter. Hell I could even understand if Kenz, DaBeech, Trinity, and Craycraft wanted to get together and race and compare notes. I would be more interested in becoming the best builder myself than just knowing I bought the fastest bike one of these gentlemen ever built. I guess it is just perspective.
/Jon
Aug 30, 2005 | 01:59 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
MichealAZ and the Klown knew when they called out a CR bike how much Micheal weighed and what his quad weighed.
WHAT THE 2 KLOWNS DID NOT FIGURE WAS THAT THE LATEST GREATEST KENZ OVERRATED HP NITTRO FUELED RAPTOR Would really get called to action.
10 pounds is not 1.5 quad lengths. LMAO
It is AMAZING how much $$$ the Klowns spend year in and year out to run poorly.
Bob CRAYCRAFT is not going to sub out any port work to BARKER!! LMAO Bob Craycraft the assembler. I like that. lol Bob CR and Barker have dealt with each other for the last few years. Bob has designed some of the parts that BARKER now sells. They have a 2 way street. Kenz copies BOTH as well as OTHERS.
Bad- Why hide behind the Kawi name???? You are faster than that.
SO WHO OWNS THE TOP DOG KENZ RAPPY? It is not Micheal AZ
WHAT THE 2 KLOWNS DID NOT FIGURE WAS THAT THE LATEST GREATEST KENZ OVERRATED HP NITTRO FUELED RAPTOR Would really get called to action.
10 pounds is not 1.5 quad lengths. LMAO
It is AMAZING how much $$$ the Klowns spend year in and year out to run poorly.
Bob CRAYCRAFT is not going to sub out any port work to BARKER!! LMAO Bob Craycraft the assembler. I like that. lol Bob CR and Barker have dealt with each other for the last few years. Bob has designed some of the parts that BARKER now sells. They have a 2 way street. Kenz copies BOTH as well as OTHERS.
Bad- Why hide behind the Kawi name???? You are faster than that.
SO WHO OWNS THE TOP DOG KENZ RAPPY? It is not Micheal AZ
Aug 30, 2005 | 02:09 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
Originally posted by: quad2xtreme
I concede my debate to Raptor660Fam. Read his post closely and learn. A true gentleman that understands the thrill of HIS victory and the agony of HIS defeat.
/Jon
I concede my debate to Raptor660Fam. Read his post closely and learn. A true gentleman that understands the thrill of HIS victory and the agony of HIS defeat.
/Jon
WWW.RAPTOR660FAM.COM
Aug 30, 2005 | 02:21 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
Bad/kawi/whatever- I like that tag line "sanctioned event" LMAO That is a great way to get out of having to leave your back yard. Never heard, nor saw you quad on the dyno at FSW2.
Maybe guys that had thought about going to FSW's will wait for it to be sanctioned. LOL If the real thruth be known FSW's was started so King and Crew could PROFIT off of the guys that traveled in from all over the country.
Maybe guys that had thought about going to FSW's will wait for it to be sanctioned. LOL If the real thruth be known FSW's was started so King and Crew could PROFIT off of the guys that traveled in from all over the country.
Aug 30, 2005 | 08:05 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
I've been following this thread for the past 3 days and I'm STILL wondering when or if Quad2xtreme is ever going to put up or shut up as UBETRUN has asked him to.
For that fact is he EVER going to run out of hot air?
He may or may not have a point but I don't think anyone wants to spend the next week reading his next post to try and contradict UBETRUN.
And Quad2, B4 you even THINK about be-littling me or saying that I'm not even in your league, I am in no way for either of these builders for I do not have anything that would hold a candle to even their slowest builds.
I am just stating an opinion that if you flap your lips long enough people will just start to ignore you.
Hence your marithon posts.
For that fact is he EVER going to run out of hot air?
He may or may not have a point but I don't think anyone wants to spend the next week reading his next post to try and contradict UBETRUN.
And Quad2, B4 you even THINK about be-littling me or saying that I'm not even in your league, I am in no way for either of these builders for I do not have anything that would hold a candle to even their slowest builds.
I am just stating an opinion that if you flap your lips long enough people will just start to ignore you.
Hence your marithon posts.
Aug 30, 2005 | 09:40 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
No more hot air so everyone is safe. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] I made my points, many agreed, and the only challenge to my arguments was a pistol duel I believe. Nothing left for me here. I will go back to trying to be helped and helping others on this forum. I always ignored these sissy pissing match posts in the past and will do so in the future. Trust me, I have been beat. I am DUMB for getting sucked into this thread but not STUPID enough to do it again. Live FREE!
/Jon
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Aug 30, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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I hear that Kenz got waxed at Pismo
Originally posted by: kawi700
Im right there with ya but you guys are comparing jarheards semi hill bike to Harveys 450lbs mack daddy long travel baja bike so whats the dif????? Either you guys start putting these things in class's or not, you cant have it both ways and we wont be coming with dune bikes to a "drag" race I can assure you of that! The mountain dew bike will likely not even make the cut for trailer space even at 78hp. 308lbs is way to heavy[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Im right there with ya but you guys are comparing jarheards semi hill bike to Harveys 450lbs mack daddy long travel baja bike so whats the dif????? Either you guys start putting these things in class's or not, you cant have it both ways and we wont be coming with dune bikes to a "drag" race I can assure you of that! The mountain dew bike will likely not even make the cut for trailer space even at 78hp. 308lbs is way to heavy[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
It seems that when ever one of you guys lose you make up a new one to try and down play someone elses win.