I can’t figure this one out. How is it that yamaha can put out a 350 sport quad that can’t even compete with a 400 when all the other companies can put out 400’s that compete with yamaha’s 650? Id like to know what yamaha’s problem is and why in the last 5 years they can not figure it out! One would think that with only 50 cc’s difference the 350 and the 400 would be pretty damn close and with over 250 cc’s difference between the 400 and the 650, there would be no comparison. So much for logic.

So, when is yamaha going to get with the program and get it right? I like my warrior, don’t get me wrong. Its just that the numbers don’t add up (unless I dump loads of money into my warrior to make it the way it should already have been.)

just a thought...
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The worst problem with the warrior is the transmission reduction is so high. That makes for really good low end power but not much for top speed.The engines will run with the right mods and run well. put one or two teeth larger(depending on the motor mods) on the counter shaft and stock 400's will have a hard time with you!!!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

a 350 warrior has 18hp
a 400ex has 25-27hp
a 660r has 32-34hp

what dosent add up? law suits. Of course a 660 could make a butt load of power but yamaha would go out of business settling cases with idiots who would get them for their 12 year old kids. 34 is already stretching the line of what a newb can handle, and its plenty for anyone to have fun with, you only need more if you want to race or are a speed freak, in which case im sure modding will come naturally to you. The reason the warrior dosent have much hp is because it isint made for racing or the MX track, its made for the woods, why do you think it comes with reverse and huge fenders. If you want to buy a sport machine, buy one, if you want to buy a trail machine buy one. Dont blame it on yamaha, they made the machine to do something, and its good at that. Noone guarantees it will do things they didnt have in mind when making it.

BTW for the price difference of a 400ex and a warrior you can make the warrior have just as much hp, but if you wanted a 400ex you should have bought one.

 

You people are missing the point I am trying to make. All I am saying is that there isn’t all that much difference between a 350 cc engine and a 400cc engine excluding all the variables like gear ratios and what not. CC to CC one would think that they would be close… but they aren’t. Why can’t yamaha make the warrior more competitive out of the box like Honda or Cannodale or Suzuki, its only 50 cc’s different. That’s the point I am trying to make.

Im not bashing the warrior by any means, I like the one I have… I would just like to know why it isn’t closer performance wise to its 50 cc neighbors.

 

Part of it has to do with the warrior not being updated in quite a few years.

 

Yamaha will likely do something with the new electric start YZ/WR450 motor before to long, now that Polaris has introduced the Predator 500. If Yamaha wants to build a full race machine then it will, but don't expect it to drop the Warrior anytime soon since it is a really great trail machine. Just remember, not everyone races or needs that kind of power and that is why there is so many types of machines available. I had a Warrior and I loved it but yes as I gained experience with it, it did lack midrange and top end power. However it still did great in the woods and tight trails. Not everyone can ride sand dunes all day and if that were the case the Warrior is still a great machine for those with less than racer skills.

Yamaha still makes big dough on the Warrior sales and it costs millions of dollars to build a new machine. I seriously doubt they are going to give up a money maker just to satisfy a few.

 

so the best yamaha can get out of a 350 cc engine is roughtly 18 hp and lets say honda, out of a 400 can get roughly 26.. hmm.. roughly 8+ hp out of 50 cc's. I still dont understand yamaha. I wonder how much HP does 50 cc's displace? Maybe it does add up.

as for the mods, that was my original point. I was talking out of the box... no mods only the 50 cc difference.

another point was that yamaha hasnt changed it in decades.... and why havent they in the last 5 years when performance has become such a big issue.

one last example, it was only last year, I believe, that the blaster got its own pair of disk brakes....

as for the select few, seems like everyone who owns a warrior mods it (weather that is true or not I really dont know, only an observation of all the posts Ive read and what Ive seen on the trails)

again, these are just some thoughts...

 

People still buy them and like them. You bought one

Electric start and reverse, bulletproof.. if there were no warrior what would people looking to buy the same features for the same price get?





They would get a 300ex. which can't run with the 400 class either, then your back in the same situation. Im not sure what you are complaing about, as if all quads should be racers from the factory.

 

not complaining, just trying to figure out why with only 50 cc's difference, why cant the warrior run with the 400s (without mods on either machine) and why has there been no real advancements made to keep up with other manufacures... thats all.. plain and simple.

 

It has to do with state of tune, you could make your warrior like mine if you want for well under a grand and be able to smoke a stock 400ex or piped 400ex. Most of the slowness has to do with the 2 valve head, but still it gains power pretty easily up to a certain point.
You dont see people running around asking why their 30,000 dollar z28ss dosent have as much hp as a 40,000 dollar vette. Oh yeah, chevy could make the z28 have 400 or so without costing them too much more, but then why the heck would you but a vette? Same thing here, if yammy ever does make a 450 machine, it will cost more than a warrior, less than a raptor, and the hp will fall somewhere in between. Its called market niche. If they make a really fast light weight quad they will call it limited edition, not make many, and charge alot for them to make up for it jumping niche. They make more money on big engine fast stuff, than small engine light weight fast stuff. Would be nice if somone stepped out of line and made a monster like they do in the car business every now and then, ex hemi dart, boss mustang, Z06, etc...

HERE IS A REAL QUESTION FOR YOU:
they weigh 10x less, they have 10x less hp, they have 10x less parts
why dont they cost 10x less? does a warrior seem equal to a 50,000 sports car? or a raptor equal to a 64,000 sports car? im not seeing any leather, climate control, traction control, any frills, whats up with the price? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]